Rank the US Presidents

Only if we can have a Officer Brian Sicknick rememberence day on January 6th.

You do know he died of a stroke? Or have your news sources failed to release that and retract all their fairy tales? BTW I was going to link the story with the cause of death ... again; you can find it yourself - AP released the information and retraction to outlets for inclusion in the classifieds or wherever.
 
You do know he died of a stroke? Or have your news sources failed to release that and retract all their fairy tales? BTW I was going to link the story with the cause of death ... again; you can find it yourself - AP released the information and retraction to outlets for inclusion in the classifieds or wherever.
It doesn't fit his narrative, therefor he ignores the facts.
 
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Should we just go ahead and classify all 1-term presidents to below average and all 2-term to at least average?

Tennessee’s own James K Polk is probably the most underrated President in U.S. History. In only one 4-year term, he added the Oregon territory, won a war against Mexico, and added much of the Southwest to the nation’s territorial holdings. He expanded the country rapidly in such a short time. Truly amazing.

He probably is the best of the one term presidents. Seriously should be considered in the top 10 of POTUS.
 
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That's the problem when "education" is controlled by people with an agenda, and the basis for an earlier comment I made. History is far too important to ignore in education, and it's far too important to trust to revisionists and people with an agenda. That leads to the quandary about whether to include history as a subject or exclude it because it can be false history. STEM concepts aren't as easily corrupted as those that require "political interpretation". It's actually hard to tell if English as taught in school can compete and win with cellphone language. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if education continues and possibly why in most cases.
The "problem" occurs when pretentious people, who are desperate for followers and have both a political agenda and a blog, post nonsensical claims and skewed information... and then attract uneducated, gullible and all-too-willing followers - who desperately want to believe that they are truly the enlightened ones in society, while the people who pay to go college are suckers who have fallen under the spell of the evil liberals.

You want to think you are smarter than people such as Jon Meacham, who write books and teach classes for a living. You're not. You have zero sense of self-awareness about you.
 
The "problem" happens when pretentious people with both a political agenda and a blog, post nonsensical claims and skewed information... and then attract uneducated, gullible and all-too-willing followers - who desperately want to believe that they are truly the enlightened ones in society, while the people who pay to go college are suckers who have fallen under the spell of the evil liberals.

You want to think you are smarter than people such as Jon Meacham, who write books and teach classes for a living. You're not. You have zero sense of self-awareness about you.

Interesting that you have yet to post anything other than your uninformed opinion and insults.
 
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I think slavery was an evil blight on our nation, but I believe states should have a right to secede from the Union if they feel their needs aren't being served. The original concept of our country was that the individual states united voluntarily. If joining is voluntary, then you have the ability to leave. Though not mentioned specifically, I believe there are parts of the Constitution that imply states have the right to secede. And I think this is supported by the writings of our FFs, the very people who crafted our Constitution. So I think Lincoln usurped power that the federal government did not lawfully possess. I'm glad slavery was ended, but I believe the southern states had every right to secede.

I believe they still do.
 
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I believe they still do.
As do I based on the guidelines originally laid down by the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. Being part of the Union is voluntary. We are not a dictatorship, and were never meant to be one.
 
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How? You've yet to post anything factual to support your opinion.
... and you want to say that Lincoln believed in white supremacy, due to some of his writings without considering the possibility that the feelings of someone who grew up in a racist society may have evolved over time. Any analysis of Abraham Lincoln's feelings on black people should include his most famous speech - The Gettysburg Address - which you are either unaware of (that wouldn't surprise me), or you have decided to avoid, because it does not serve your agenda.

As part of that speech were Lincoln's description of the United States as "a nation conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

Lincoln also advocated for black people to have citizenship at the end of the war... but your superficial and cherry-picked analysis of him would have us believe that he believed in white supremacy? Ignorant.
 
Yall trying to #cancel Abraham Lincoln now. Sad.

Lincoln freed the slaves, IMO that alone makes him the very best president.
I would argue 2nd best. He was far from perfect... but there is some irony in how the same people who attack the culture of political correctness, are quick to disparage some cherry-picked writings of Lincoln as being "racist", when all they really were was racially insensitive... over 100 years before political correctness was even a thing.
 
... and you want to say that Lincoln believed in white supremacy, due to some of his writings without considering the possibility that the feelings of someone who grew up in a racist society may have evolved over time. Any analysis of Abraham Lincoln's feelings on black people should include his most famous speech - The Gettysburg Address - which you are either unaware of (that wouldn't surprise me), or you have decided to avoid, because it does not serve your agenda.

As part of that speech were Lincoln's description of the United States as "a nation conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

Lincoln also advocated for black people to have citizenship at the end of the war... but your superficial and cherry-picked analysis of him would have us believe that he believed in white supremacy? Ignorant.
Ever wonder why the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to the border slave states that had remained loyal to the Union? Lincoln also believed in the Liberia model of creating colonies in Africa for former slaves. Lincoln was anti-slavery, but he did not really believe in a society where black and white lived together. His views "changed" as he felt the need to placate people.

I don't think Lincoln was the horrible man some do, but I do believe history has been very kind to him. A lot of what he did was highly questionable.
 
The Emancipation Proclamation itself was really nothing more than a political ploy. It only applied to the states that had seceded from the Union, over which he arguably had no authority, and did not effect slave states that had remained loyal to the Union.
 
Ever wonder why the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to the border slave states that had remained loyal to the Union? Lincoln also believed in the Liberia model of creating colonies in Africa for former slaves. Lincoln was anti-slavery, but he did not really believe in a society where black and white lived together. His views "changed" as he felt the need to placate people.

I don't think Lincoln was the horrible man some do, but I do believe history has been very kind to him. A lot of what he did was highly questionable.
In the end, he did believe in that. His feelings did evolve. You are casting political motives behind this change... but that represents a modern day perspective; difficult to apply to those times.
 
Tennessee’s own James K Polk is probably the most underrated President in U.S. History. In only one 4-year term, he added the Oregon territory, won a war against Mexico, and added much of the Southwest to the nation’s territorial holdings. He expanded the country rapidly in such a short time. Truly amazing.
Direct descendant of Polk. Did many papers on him through out junior high and college. Absolutely underrated. Most “poles” have him between 12-14. Defiantly top 10. The ONLY president to fulfill every campaign promise. That there is top 5 worthy by itself.

Those “poles” that have Lincoln and Washington at the top are bandwagoners. Just research them, and everyone will see.
 
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In the end, he did believe in that. His feelings did evolve. You are casting political motives behind this change... but that represents a modern day perspective; difficult to apply to those times.

I'm casting political motives behind his words and deeds because political motives were behind them. You've chosen to ignore his private writings.
 
The Emancipation Proclamation itself was really nothing more than a political ploy. It only applied to the states that had seceded from the Union, over which he arguably had no authority, and did not effect slave states that had remained loyal to the Union.
And.........look up the absolute Racist actions and words that Ole Honest Abe “The Great Emancipater” said.
 
Direct descendant of Polk. Did many papers on him through out junior high and college. Absolutely underrated. Most “poles” have him between 12-14. Defiantly top 10. The ONLY president to fulfill every campaign promise. That there is top 5 worthy by itself.

Those “poles” that have Lincoln and Washington at the top are bandwagoners. Just research them, and everyone will see.

Is it true that his only campaign promise was to not run for a second term?
 

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