Rashida Tlaib’s THOBE, and Ilhan Omar’s HIJAB, are making congressional history

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evillawyer said:
so people have it handy, this is the actual quote that she's in hot water for:

“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”
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There was more to the quote and let’s not forget her claim that Israel is hypnotizing the world.

While we are on the topic, does she want to cut all foreign aid or just to Israel?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Why are we comparing this woman to David Duke and Hitler? So, ANY criticism of Israel or the powerful Jewish lobbies in Washington...is now considered hate?! Smh
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I mean really...

And again. We have people that have no problem criticizing Russian, Syrian, Mexican, Venezuelan or North Korean govts without fear of being called racists... yet the moment any fair criticisms towards Israel comes up, immediately, the anti-Semitic charges come flying.
 
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Vol8188 said:
There was more to the quote and let’s not forget her claim that Israel is hypnotizing the world.

While we are on the topic, does she want to cut all foreign aid or just to Israel?
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How is that any different than the allegations of Russia using influence to drive the outcome of the 2016 election? Are those racists allegations against Russians?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How is that any different than the allegations of Russia using influence to drive the outcome of the 2016 election? Are those racists allegations against Russians?
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The "hypnotizing the world" thing is kind of overplayed. I don't really see how that can be considered overtly anti-Semitic.

The "dual loyalty" thing is a longtime anti-Semitic trope, though.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How is that any different than the allegations of Russia using influence to drive the outcome of the 2016 election? Are those racists allegations against Russians?
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Has "hypnotism" or "mind-control" or "brainwashing" been a common libel thrown at Russians for centuries?
 
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05_never_again said:
The "hypnotizing the world" thing is kind of overplayed. I don't really see how that can be considered overtly anti-Semitic.

The "dual loyalty" thing is a longtime anti-Semitic trope, though.
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"Hypnotism" and various other forms of mind control has been tossed around at Jews for 1000 years or more.
 
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bamawriter said:
The whole "dual-allegiance" trope is an antisemitic slur that has been lobbed at Jews for centuries, long before Israel existed as a recognized nation.
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So asking about the allegiance of a dual citizen is perfectly within bounds for gentiles... but not for Jews?

Double standard?
 
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bamawriter said:
Has "hypnotism" or "mind-control" or "brainwashing" been a common libel thrown at Russians for centuries?
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Has hypnotism or mind-control? Not being a smartass, honest question. There are certainly go-to libels against Jews used by anti-Semites, and Omar alluded to at least one of them, but not familiar with Jews being accused of mind-control over the centuries.
 
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bamawriter said:
Has "hypnotism" or "mind-control" or "brainwashing" been a common libel thrown at Russians for centuries?
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Have you been paying attention to the Russia 2016 election probes? They have been accusing them of using bots and social media ads to get Trump elected.

WTF are you talking about?
 
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bamawriter said:
I disagree, but I think you can make a decent case.

But Omar's comment wasn't about dual-citizenship, so it's not really the issue.
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If it wasn't about dual-citizenship, then what was it about? Her comment was about foreign influences on American governance.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So asking about the allegiance of a dual citizen is perfectly within bounds for gentiles... but not for Jews?

Double standard?
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Is it perfectly in bounds for gentiles? People did that with Obama and it wasn't accepted.

The dual loyalty allegation about Jews is a long-term trope that has been used over the years. That they're really loyal to Israel, not the United States (or any other country), and they'll sell out non-Jews in an attempt to advance Israel or Jews at the expense of non-Jews. I'm not aware of that being a historical stereotype of Russians.
 
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Pacer92 said:
From what she’s said, it seems she’s drawing attention to something that needs to be addressed. People with dual citizenship’s should not be working for the American government. And the amount of influence the Jewish lobbies have in Washington is too big...
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Keep in mind... just a few months ago, we were questioning the allegiance of native born people that didn't stand for the national anthem. How are these same people going to rationalize that situation with people having dual-citizenship?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Have you been paying attention to the Russia 2016 election probes? They have been accusing them of using bots and social media ads to get Trump elected.

WTF are you talking about?
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You are comparing the reaction to Russian meddling to those of American-Israeli relations. The comparison isn't terribly apt.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If it wasn't about dual-citizenship, then what was it about? Her comment was about foreign influences on American governance.
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She said "dual-allegience." The word "citizen" didn't appear in anything that I've read. But if you saw something I didn't, I'm willing to stand corrected.

For what it's worth, the "dual-allegience" canard has not only been the realm of antisemites. It's been used against all manner of groups, particularly religions. There were all kinds of anti-Catholic bigots who ranted that the US would become a vassal of the Holy See if Kennedy became president. He certainly didn't have dual-citizenship.
 
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evillawyer said:
I get that it can be an anti-Semitic trope, especially when lobbed against people solely because they're Jewish. But how can you denying that there are people, like Ben Shapiro, who are on the record saying part of being "really Jewish" is identifying with Israel. Omar's comment took issue with people advocating this position. She didn't say every Jew advocated for this position. She didn't say all or most advocate for this. She simply took issue with Americans advocating for allegiance to other countries. That is a reasonable view. Not my view, but a reasonable view. Like I said, I think dual loyalties in the modern world are fine if not antagonistic.
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What happened to "America First" with these Redhats?
 
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bamawriter said:
For what it's worth, the "dual-allegience" canard has not only been the realm of antisemites. It's been used against all manner of groups, particularly religions. There were all kinds of anti-Catholic bigots who ranted that the US would become a vassal of the Holy See if Kennedy became president. He certainly didn't have dual-citizenship.
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That kind of thing was done against Obama too. Was born in Kenya/Indonesia so wasn't a citizen, was secretly a Muslim, etc.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I don’t think her intentions were about suppressing or stealing..

There are legitimate concerns of Israeli power in Washington. People must be able to question without it being labeled hate speech...
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And of course, that is the intention. They want to kill the conversation.
 
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bamawriter said:
As for Omar, if that was her only problematic statement, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she chose her words poorly. But, coupled with all of the other old Jewish libel she's trotted out, I can't strain credulity that far.
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She hasn't done or said a single thing that is worthy of being called an anti-Semite. You are being disingenuous to even suggest otherwise.
 
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