Rating the SEC coaching jobs

#26
#26
tvolsfan said:
well if you don't think UT's coaching job was top 10, i just decided that i should remind you.
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So you're going to remind me of something that isn't a fact? I can name 10 jobs that would be widely considered better than UT's.

And before the crap hits the fan: I love UT and it would be MY #1 choice. However, not everyone grew up in the south. You already knew that, though.
 
#27
#27
what would be the 10 jobs. i honestly can't agree with you that there are 10 better positions.
 
#29
#29
yeah, thats 4. i would maybe put michigan up there too. we would be soon after in my mind. southern cal would be next. then i would say us or oklahoma.
 
#30
#30
tvolsfan said:
what would be the 10 jobs. i honestly can't agree with you that there are 10 better positions.
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Florida
Florida State
Miami
USC
Texas
UCLA
LSU
Notre Dame
Georgia
Oklahoma
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Tennessee

Those are probably the top 14 jobs in college football.
 
#31
#31
tvolsfan said:
yeah, thats 4. i would maybe put michigan up there too. we would be soon after in my mind. southern cal would be next. then i would say us or oklahoma.
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I'd call Oklahoma pretty even with Tennessee. USC wouldn't make my list. It's great as long as things are going well, but they are just a couple of mediocre seasons from nobody caring again.
 
#32
#32
i would have us in front of ucla, georgia, penn state, lsu, and ohio state too for sure. oklahoma is close to us. we could go in front or they could, it is tough to call. charlie weis had a good first year at notre dame, but it would still be tough to put them up front after one year.
 
#33
#33
GAVol said:
I'd call Oklahoma pretty even with Tennessee. USC wouldn't make my list. It's great as long as things are going well, but they are just a couple of mediocre seasons from nobody caring again.
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i see what you mean, but in the pac 10, it is a lot easier to climb back to glory then other conferences in my opinion. usc gets good recruiting too.
 
#34
#34
tvolsfan said:
i would have us in front of ucla, georgia, penn state, lsu, and ohio state too for sure. oklahoma is close to us. we could go in front or they could, it is tough to call. charlie weis had a good first year at notre dame, but it would still be tough to put them up front after one year.
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The schools you mentioned (UGA, UCLA, PSU, LSU, OSU) all have better in state talent. 4 of them have the same kind of fan bases as UT. All 5 have tons of money.
 
#36
#36
tvolsfan said:
i would have us in front of ucla, georgia, penn state, lsu, and ohio state too for sure. oklahoma is close to us. we could go in front or they could, it is tough to call. charlie weis had a good first year at notre dame, but it would still be tough to put them up front after one year.
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You mentioned tradition as a PLUS for UT, but you only mention ONE YEAR for ND? They have a ton of tradition.
 
#37
#37
VolinArizona said:
Florida
Florida State
Miami
USC
Texas
UCLA
LSU
Notre Dame
Georgia
Oklahoma
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Tennessee

Those are probably the top 14 jobs in college football.
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Florida (Untill sos got there no one wanted it)
Florida State (until Bowden got there no one wanted it)
Miami
USC
Texas
UCLA (Nowhere near the fan base, $, support)
LSU
Notre Dame
Georgia (No way the commitment)
Oklahoma
Penn State (until Joe Pa got there no one cared)
Ohio State
Michigan
Tennessee

I'll concede ND
I think the rest are toss ups.
 
#38
#38
It doesn't matter if a program was nothing before SO AND SO got there. We're talking about the jobs right now. There is not a single coach who will say "Man, I don't know about the Florida job, it was nothing until Spurrier got there."

UCLA has tons and tons of money. TONS. TONS. You are correct, they don't have the fan support UT does, but the INCREDIBLE talent evens that out.

And yes, UT compared to OSU, PSU, Michigan is a toss up. However, you said Tennessee was #1. Thats a clear cut stance, and I've shown you some schools that are either a slightly better job or right there with UT.
 
#39
#39
And for UGA, what does "No way the commitment" mean? UGA loves their football as much as we do.
 
#40
#40
you wuold really put UCLA in front of us? UCLA will continue to be overshadowed by Souther Cal. Richt is doing great things, but without him, it would be the same, job it seemed like before he came. how high would you have them there. to keep the talent at georgia, it will take strong year after strong year. if you take over, and have a bad year, your recruiting will definately get worse fast. joe pa had a great year at PSU last year. he will be gone in a few years and PSU will have a tough time rebuilding. they get some recruits based on joe pa's coach prestige. it would be hard to get some of them without him because they would have to start over. LSU was improved by Saban, but a few bad years and they will fade away faster then a team like Tennessee would.

OSU has a great fan base, like tennessee, and much better in state recruiting, but i would hate to coach at OSU. The job comes down to one thing there. can you beat michigan? tressel is having sucess, but john cooper knows what it is like. osu had a several one loss and two loss seasons, big 10 championships, and bcs bowls. the only reason he was fired is because he couldn't beat michigan. i know i would hate a job where my coaching job was on the line if could go 10-0 in the first 10 games, then one loss agaisnt a team that pulls in great talent year after year could get me fired.

i remember one year osu went 11-1, won the rose bowl, the big 10, and only lost to michigan. anywhere else, 11-1, and a bcs win would be great. they were furious there. in 2000 osu went 8-4 and lost ot michigan and they fired their coach. tressel the next year, had an even worse record, but they praised him for that one win. sure, he has had sucess, but not many other coaches have been able to get the win consistently enough.
 
#41
#41
tvolsfan said:
you wuold really put UCLA in front of us? UCLA will continue to be overshadowed by Souther Cal. Richt is doing great things, but without him, it would be the same, job it seemed like before he came. how high would you have them there. to keep the talent at georgia, it will take strong year after strong year. if you take over, and have a bad year, your recruiting will definately get worse fast. joe pa had a great year at PSU last year. he will be gone in a few years and PSU will have a tough time rebuilding. they get some recruits based on joe pa's coach prestige. it would be hard to get some of them without him because they would have to start over. LSU was improved by Saban, but a few bad years and they will fade away faster then a team like Tennessee would.

OSU has a great fan base, like tennessee, and much better in state recruiting, but i would hate to coach at OSU. The job comes down to one thing there. can you beat michigan? tressel is having sucess, but john cooper knows what it is like. osu had a several one loss and two loss seasons, big 10 championships, and bcs bowls. the only reason he was fired is because he couldn't beat michigan. i know i would hate a job where my coaching job was on the line if could go 10-0 in the first 10 games, then one loss agaisnt a team that pulls in great talent year after year could get me fired.

i remember one year osu went 11-1, won the rose bowl, the big 10, and only lost to michigan. anywhere else, 11-1, and a bcs win would be great. they were furious there. in 2000 osu went 8-4 and lost ot michigan and they fired their coach. tressel the next year, had an even worse record, but they praised him for that one win. sure, he has had sucess, but not many other coaches have been able to get the win consistently enough.
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UCLA is more of a location thing for coaches. Great talent and living in the nice part of Los Angeles is a strong selling point. Notice in my top 14 jobs, I didn't rank them.
 
#43
#43
who said clear cut number 1? i even said i have them behind florida. when richt leaves georgia, it will be a few years before no one wants it again.
 
#44
#44
tvolsfan said:
who said clear cut number 1? i even said i have them behind florida. when richt leaves georgia, it will be a few years before no one wants it again.
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Where do you find these future certainties? When Richt leaves, they are going down the tubes? When Johnny Majors left, it wasn't a few years before UT went down the tubes. When John Cooper left OSU, they got better! When CPF leaves, do you think UT goes down the tubes?

You're speaking in absolutes, and it's really difficult to discuss these matters when someone else has a crystal ball. I don't have one of those!
 
#48
#48
no i dont think UT goes down the tubes. i will put it this way, if tennessee and georgia both lost their coaches, and two average coaches took their jobs, i think recruits would be more likely to come to tennessee then georgia.


osu would get better recruits then both of them, but for an average coach, beating michigan is a much tougher task.
 
#49
#49
tvolsfan said:
no i dont think UT goes down the tubes. i will put it this way, if tennessee and georgia both lost their coaches, and two average coaches took their jobs, i think recruits would be more likely to come to tennessee then georgia.


osu would get better recruits then both of them, but for an average coach, beating michigan is a much tougher task.
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I think UT and UGA would fare pretty much the same, to be honest. I also happen to think that OSU playing Michigan is about the same as both UT and UGA beating UF. IN FACT, the entire UF, UGA, UT + SEC East situation is probably harder to navigate than OSU vs. Michigan.

In the end, I don't think UT is THE job in NCAAF, but definitely a highly though of position. I think some people let their love for UT as a fan overtake the rational and unbiased analysis of this discussion. I do like your points though. :)
 
#50
#50
I may be delusional, but I sincerely think that Fla, UT, and LSU are the only three schools competing for the top spot.

I don't think many people would knock the doors down at Bama or Auburn for those jobs, and one would have to appreciate Athens to take the UGA position.
 
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