Rating the SEC coaching jobs

#76
#76
lawgator1 said:
What's wrong with Gainesville? Close to Orlando, near Ocala, which is horse country.

The Miami job is s#&t. They are totally done. The FSU job would be enticing, I admit.

But I get it. You are throwing out that Florida is behind FSU and Miami because you think you can antagonize me. And that's where you're right.
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Yeah, Miami's done. Then why don't the cowards in Gainesville run to get them on the schedule so you can have a shot at beating them for the first time in a generation? This is the same foolishness Gator fans were spewing in the mid '90s. The 'Canes then regrouped and again surpassed the traditionless fraud to the North. Miami has had 4 different coaches win a National Championship. Florida has only been relevant under one coach. Your program is, was, and always will be a one trick pony. You were nothing before Spurrier and you're just another team without him. Maybe if you had ever won an SEC title under another coach there would be reason to respect your program.
 
#77
#77
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Miami's done. Then why don't the cowards in Gainesville run to get them on the schedule so you can have a shot at beating them for the first time in a generation? This is the same foolishness Gator fans were spewing in the mid '90s. The 'Canes then regrouped and again surpassed the traditionless fraud to the North. Miami has had 4 different coaches win a National Championship. Florida has only been relevant under one coach. Your program is, was, and always will be a one trick pony. You were nothing before Spurrier and you're just another team without him. Maybe if you had ever won an SEC title under another coach there would be reason to respect your program.
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You are always willing to tell the truth, even when it hurts.
 
#78
#78
lawgator1 said:
What's wrong with Gainesville? Close to Orlando, near Ocala, which is horse country.

The Miami job is s#&t. They are totally done. The FSU job would be enticing, I admit.

But I get it. You are throwing out that Florida is behind FSU and Miami because you think you can antagonize me. And that's where you're right.
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Exactly. I can't count the number of times I've heard a top prospect talk about proximity to horses being the deciding factor in his recruitment.
 
#79
#79
hatvol96 said:
Exactly. I can't count the number of times I've heard a top prospect talk about proximity to horses being the deciding factor in his recruitment.
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If that was the case how good would the Wildcats be?
 
#80
#80
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Miami's done. Then why don't the cowards in Gainesville run to get them on the schedule so you can have a shot at beating them for the first time in a generation? This is the same foolishness Gator fans were spewing in the mid '90s. The 'Canes then regrouped and again surpassed the traditionless fraud to the North. Miami has had 4 different coaches win a National Championship. Florida has only been relevant under one coach. Your program is, was, and always will be a one trick pony. You were nothing before Spurrier and you're just another team without him. Maybe if you had ever won an SEC title under another coach there would be reason to respect your program.
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You can make the same arguement for FSU. They were nothing before Bobby Bowden got there.

Miami's football program didn't win anything before the 80's. Did they even have a football program? They have some traditions, but they are recent.
 
#81
#81
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Miami's done. Then why don't the cowards in Gainesville run to get them on the schedule so you can have a shot at beating them for the first time in a generation? This is the same foolishness Gator fans were spewing in the mid '90s. The 'Canes then regrouped and again surpassed the traditionless fraud to the North. Miami has had 4 different coaches win a National Championship. Florida has only been relevant under one coach. Your program is, was, and always will be a one trick pony. You were nothing before Spurrier and you're just another team without him. Maybe if you had ever won an SEC title under another coach there would be reason to respect your program.
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Have you ever been to a Miami game AT Miami? Its a joke. Three quarters of the people in the stands don't even know where the campus is, much less went there. Talk about a program with NO tradition. I don't care how much you've won, if its by bringing in thugs and two-thirds of your fan base doesn't have their GEDs, then you might as well admit that you are a commuter school. Which is EXACTLY what UM is. You would hate it if you ever visited there. Positively awful.

Now, Florida a one trick pony, huh? Well, we did start to come around in the early 80's and then SOS got there and took the program to the highest level and that lasted ten years. Won the SEC a number of times and a national championship. If by one trick pony you mean being competitive nationally for, say, 5-6 years and dominating the conference for about 7 or 8, then I guess we are guilty as charged.

And of course the big difference is that, looking to the future, we have a chance to get better. You have a chance, it would seem, to continue that frustrating slip slide back to mediocrity.
 
#82
#82
how long has bowden been here though? 30 some years. not like this is his 5th year. he has kept the sucess going. to rate the coaching job for fsu i think we need to see them with a new coach after bowden leaves beacause i dont know how the situation will turn up. coker i dont think is a good coach but miami has been one of the better teams in college football for 20 years, and i dont think they are going to fall back too far.
 
#83
#83
lawgator1 said:
Have you ever been to a Miami game AT Miami? Its a joke. Three quarters of the people in the stands don't even know where the campus is, much less went there. Talk about a program with NO tradition. I don't care how much you've won, if its by bringing in thugs and two-thirds of your fan base doesn't have their GEDs, then you might as well admit that you are a commuter school. Which is EXACTLY what UM is. You would hate it if you ever visited there. Positively awful.

Now, Florida a one trick pony, huh? Well, we did start to come around in the early 80's and then SOS got there and took the program to the highest level and that lasted ten years. Won the SEC a number of times and a national championship. If by one trick pony you mean being competitive nationally for, say, 5-6 years and dominating the conference for about 7 or 8, then I guess we are guilty as charged.

And of course the big difference is that, looking to the future, we have a chance to get better. You have a chance, it would seem, to continue that frustrating slip slide back to mediocrity.
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I'd take Florida Gators over Miami easily.FSU would be a toss up.
 
#84
#84
lawgator1 said:
Have you ever been to a Miami game AT Miami? Its a joke. Three quarters of the people in the stands don't even know where the campus is, much less went there. Talk about a program with NO tradition. I don't care how much you've won, if its by bringing in thugs and two-thirds of your fan base doesn't have their GEDs, then you might as well admit that you are a commuter school. Which is EXACTLY what UM is. You would hate it if you ever visited there. Positively awful.

Now, Florida a one trick pony, huh? Well, we did start to come around in the early 80's and then SOS got there and took the program to the highest level and that lasted ten years. Won the SEC a number of times and a national championship. If by one trick pony you mean being competitive nationally for, say, 5-6 years and dominating the conference for about 7 or 8, then I guess we are guilty as charged.

And of course the big difference is that, looking to the future, we have a chance to get better. You have a chance, it would seem, to continue that frustrating slip slide back to mediocrity.
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I live in South Florida. The campus in Coral Gables is beautiful. It makes Gainesville look like the dump it is. Miami also graduates a much higher percentage of its football players over the last twenty years than The Tradition Challenged, Jean Shorts Wearing, 3rd In Their Own State Program in Gainesville. That must really eat at you. Miami, a respected academic institution, graduates guys you call thugs at a better rate than the glorified, public JUCO in Gainesville.
 
#85
#85
hatvol96 said:
I live in South Florida. The campus in Coral Gables is beautiful. It makes Gainesville look like the dump it is. Miami also graduates a much higher percentage of its football players over the last twenty years than The Tradition Challenged, Jean Shorts Wearing, 3rd In Their Own State Program in Gainesville. That must really eat at you. Miami, a respected academic institution, graduates guys you call thugs at a better rate than the glorified, public JUCO in Gainesville.
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Of course they graduate a lot of players. Its a private school. Used to be all that was required to graduate was that you not be convicted of a crime, but they had to change it to not being convicted of a capital felony. And then they had to add in "in the last six months."

Also, they relaxed that whole pesky being able to spell your own name thing.

Dude, that you think UM's campus is nice relative to Gainesville tells me either that you are saying whatever is necessary to get my goat or that your vision and sense of smell are severely compromised. UM is a pit, as college campuses go.
 
#86
#86
lawgator1 said:
Of course they graduate a lot of players. Its a private school. Used to be all that was required to graduate was that you not be convicted of a crime, but they had to change it to not being convicted of a capital felony. And then they had to add in "in the last six months."

Also, they relaxed that whole pesky being able to spell your own name thing.

Dude, that you think UM's campus is nice relative to Gainesville tells me either that you are saying whatever is necessary to get my goat or that your vision and sense of smell are severely compromised. UM is a pit, as college campuses go.
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Coral Gables is to Gainesville as Eva Longoria is to Oprah Winfrey.
Miami academically is to UF academically as the US Army is to the Army of Ethiopia. Go spew your Gator tinged delusions to someone stupid enough to buy them. That should encompass the vast majority of UF fans and alums.
 
#87
#87
miami is a very good acidemic school, and i haven't seen the campus, but i have heard it is like hatvols said: beautiful. i would take a job at miami before florida.
 
#88
#88
I don't see LSU being that great of a job right now. It seems like Louisiana is not the best place to be living thanks to Katrina. The support for the football team is great, but I don't think it would be a top 5 most desirable coaching position.
 
#89
#89
Here's Mine......

1. Purdue....

Oh wait, wrong thread. LOL

1. Georgia (Major State University, Beautiful City, Close to HUGE City, Fan Base Is Hungry For More.)
2. Tennessee (Tradition, Loyalty, Fan Base Causes Pause)
3. LSU (Rabid, Loyal Fans, Easy To Recruit, Top Notch Facilities)
4. Auburn (Lots of Tradition, But Still Lots To Accomplish)
5. South Carolina (Upsides of a rabid fanbase make it better than old powerhouses.)
6. Florida (Too many expectations for a school with very little Tradition)
7. Alabama (Everyone that coahes there "isn't Bear".)
8. Kentucky (It's B-ball Program moved it out of bottom 4)
9. Arkansas (Recruiting Wasteland, Not Enough History)
10. Mississippi (Good History, but Another Recruiting Wasteland)
11. Mississippi State (Bad Facilities, Bad Area)
12. Vanderbilt (NOT a Football school, not really an athletic school)
 
#90
#90
A few things from the thread...

1. I have not been to University of Miami either, but I do know that it is a very good school. High quality academics right there, no matter how thugged out the football team may get. And the south Florida talent alone is enough to make Miami one of the most desirable coaching positions in the country.

2. Tennessee is a nationally recognized name, but not by much. You have your USC, Texas, Miami, Ohio State, Florida State, Notre Dame, etc. Tennessee is on the tier below that by most accounts. Definitley not even there without the 1998 national title. To be fair, none of the SEC schools are really on that top echelon right now. But Georgia, LSU and Florida are more recognized in my estimation.

3. UCLA could be a top 25... In the 15-25. Both sides of the argument are valid. Yes, they do have a very good talent pool to recruit from being in southern California. Yes, their campus and general location is beatiful and a great place to be. Yes, the school has tons of money. Yes, the fan base is there (as long as they are doing well). But, if the team is not doing well, it's also not that big of a deal to the school.
 
#91
#91
OrangeSquare said:
Here's Mine......

1. Purdue....

Oh wait, wrong thread. LOL

1. Georgia (Major State University, Beautiful City, Close to HUGE City, Fan Base Is Hungry For More.)
2. Tennessee (Tradition, Loyalty, Fan Base Causes Pause)
3. LSU (Rabid, Loyal Fans, Easy To Recruit, Top Notch Facilities)
4. Auburn (Lots of Tradition, But Still Lots To Accomplish)
5. South Carolina (Upsides of a rabid fanbase make it better than old powerhouses.)
6. Florida (Too many expectations for a school with very little Tradition)
7. Alabama (Everyone that coahes there "isn't Bear".)
8. Kentucky (It's B-ball Program moved it out of bottom 4)
9. Arkansas (Recruiting Wasteland, Not Enough History)
10. Mississippi (Good History, but Another Recruiting Wasteland)
11. Mississippi State (Bad Facilities, Bad Area)
12. Vanderbilt (NOT a Football school, not really an athletic school)
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Having spent the first 18 years of my life in GA I can tell you that their fan base is as demanding, if not more demanding of their team than UT. In fact, I rarely remember a time when their fans didn't expect them to be competing for a national championship regardless of their talent level. Ask Jim Donnan and Ray Goff about their patience.

As comparable as those fan bases are, it is woefully inacurrate to claim that one is "hungry for more" (whatever that means) and that one "causes pause". One is hardly anymore demanding than the other.

I also love Athens, but it is not for everybody.
 
#92
#92
I gave this a lot of thought last night and have to say that the FSU job would be a good one. Tallahassee is a beautiful community and the campus is very nice. The person who comes in after Bowden retires needs to be a real go-getter. Bringing Mark Richt back would probably be the best thing they can do but failing that somebody like him. Go out and recruit like crazy to keep the pipelines open. And if that is done I think that job would just be terrific.

Florida, on the other hand, would probably be a better place to go for a coach who wants to move on realtively soon. It is a tough environment for a head coach that isn't quickly competitive. Put it this way: If what has gone on at FSU, with Bowden insisting that he use his son Jeff as offensive coordinator, had gone on at Floirda, the fans would have burned him in effigy.

Take your pick on which is worse (or better) -- being at the school where the fans are that insane and demand success or be at the school that lets you get away with it. LOL.
 
#93
#93
hatvol96 said:
The New Orleans Times Picayune is rating the SEC football coaching jobs from least to most desirable for a prospective head coach. So far here's where they are:
12. Vanderbilt
11. Kentucky
10. South Carolina.
They add one school per day. You can check it out at nola.com.
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9. Mississippi State
 
#94
#94
Lexvol said:
I rarely remember a time when their fans didn't expect them to be competing for a national championship regardless of their talent level. Ask Jim Donnan and Ray Goff about their patience.
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Maybe they pulled the plug on Jim Donnan too fast, but Goff got 7 years, which was at least a year or two too many.
 
#95
#95
Lexvol said:
I rarely remember a time when their fans didn't expect them to be competing for a national championship regardless of their talent level.
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that's the point i was trying to make. if i have a team no where near national title caliber, i don't want to be expected to go unbeaten.
 
#96
#96
GAVol said:
Maybe they pulled the plug on Jim Donnan too fast, but Goff got 7 years, which was at least a year or two too many.
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Goff was not a judicious addition on my part. But the point remains, those fans are as critical and have equal expections to UT fans. It is possible that his tenure was so long because he was hand picked by Vince, and Vince was reluctant to admit his mistake, but the Georgia fans were certainly not pleased that he was given 7 years.
 
#97
#97
"Hungry For More" means that they just won their first SEC Championship in 20 years, and that they want more. They want that National Championship. Not that every other college doesn't, but the fact that they were down for so long, and the fact they are so close now, means they want it.

More doesn't mean more than Tennessee or any other base, more means more than they have themselves currently.
 
#100
#100
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. LSU
6. Auburn

My top 6. Tennessee and Alabama have to much rich history and tradition which gives them the nod over Georgia and Florida. And 'Bama as much as I hate them have just a wee bit more history than us.
 
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