Rating the SEC coaching jobs

#51
#51
Lexvol said:
I may be delusional, but I sincerely think that Fla, UT, and LSU are the only three schools competing for the top spot.

I don't think many people would knock the doors down at Bama or Auburn for those jobs, and one would have to appreciate Athens to take the UGA position.
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Where would you rank UT in the national scope in terms of HC job?
 
#52
#52
VolinArizona said:
I don't think a single head coach in America would rate UT as a better job than Florida or LSU. Tennessee is a great job with great pay and facilities, but the city itself and surrounding areas don't offer quite as much as LSU and UF.
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Are you going there to coach or just have a fun time out on the town while you're there?
 
#53
#53
One consideration we haven't talked about is timing and pressure. And I of course am thinking about the Florida HC position right after Spurrier left it. None of the top coaches would consider that job because, at the time, the expectation was that whoever came in would be a sacrificial lamb. And of course they turned out to be correct.

If you add in the factor of timing, as in what if the job opened up right now, Florida is very attractive because its not like Meyer has the full loyalty thing going, he has a ton of talent in there, and the school will spend the $ to be at the top.

I think that, on the flip side, the USC job would suck because Carroll is so revered right now. Same with UGA and Richt -- folks are optimistic there now and if he left the next guy that comes in gets huing with the "I wish we could have hung onto Richt" deal.

There are two schools folks keep mentioning that seem to me that timing is a plus -- and maybe a third right on the fence. The two I am thinking of are Penn State and Florida State. Although both have had tremendous success with the coaching legends that are there right now, the fan bases for both are growing increasingly impatient for them to leave and make room for new blood. Not saying they do not appreciate Bowden and Paterno, but I think when those guys step down and someone new comes in, there will be a collective sigh of relief at those schools.

The third team in that respect, and the team that could go either way, is (you guessed it) Tennessee. One more season of mediocrity and the fanbase will be ready for a fresh face with new ideas and a new approach. If Fulmer gets it back in gear with a good SEC showing and an SECE title, then the heat goes the other way -- whoever shows up to take over is held to a too-high standard.
 
#55
#55
VolinArizona said:
I think UT and UGA would fare pretty much the same, to be honest. I also happen to think that OSU playing Michigan is about the same as both UT and UGA beating UF. IN FACT, the entire UF, UGA, UT + SEC East situation is probably harder to navigate than OSU vs. Michigan.

In the end, I don't think UT is THE job in NCAAF, but definitely a highly though of position. I think some people let their love for UT as a fan overtake the rational and unbiased analysis of this discussion. I do like your points though. :)
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Not with me. I put down why I think UT is one of the very best jobs in NCAAF.
 
#56
#56
VolinArizona said:
I also happen to think that OSU playing Michigan is about the same as both UT and UGA beating UF. IN FACT, the entire UF, UGA, UT + SEC East situation is probably harder to navigate than OSU vs. Michigan.
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i see what you mean, but i want to clear up someting about osu michigan. i know, living in 15 minutes from columbus that i understand the situation better the you do, just becaue my whole family other then me are buckeyes, (they turned to the dark side :nono:) and almost all my friends are buckeyes, and all the people i cant stand our buckeyes. its not just beating michigan to improve your record, but it's beating michigan just to beat your rival. i can assure you, if you see the buckeye fans, and live with them, you will know osu vs michigan is college football's best rivalry. if you want a better idea of it, buckeye fans saw last year as 9-1 in preseason, 1-0 in the regular season, being the win over michigan, which by the way most people here refer to as a swear word during football season and prefer to use "the team up north" instead.

i can assure you 90% buckeye fans here would take a 7-5 alamo season that includes a win over michigan than an 11-1 season where the blemish is to the team up north.
 
#57
#57
Lexvol said:
I may be delusional, but I sincerely think that Fla, UT, and LSU are the only three schools competing for the top spot.

I don't think many people would knock the doors down at Bama or Auburn for those jobs, and one would have to appreciate Athens to take the UGA position.
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I agree totally Lex. I think UGA is not anywhere close to the top.
 
#58
#58
VolinArizona said:
Where would you rank UT in the national scope in terms of HC job?
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Funny you should ask. I remember Collin Cowherd and Beano Cook talking about this last year. They put the UT job ahead of all SEC jobs in the top 3 nationally. I happen to agree with them.
 
#59
#59
Don't think CPF will be going for a while but when it does happen the opening will behigh profile and should draw some big names to the short list.
 
#60
#60
Lexvol said:
Funny you should ask. I remember Collin Cowherd and Beano Cook talking about this last year. They put the UT job ahead of all SEC jobs in the top 3 nationally. I happen to agree with them.
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If the Florida and UT jobs both came open today and you asked 100 coaches which one they want, I think 80 of them take Florida first.
 
#61
#61
I may be wearing my orange sunglasses and I may be blinded by tradition, but I have a hard time putting any SEC school with the lone exception of Alabama ahead of UT on a list like this. Seems like if I was an aspiring coach, Knoxville and Tuscaloosa would be the places I'd want to go.
 
#62
#62
lawgator1 said:
If the Florida and UT jobs both came open today and you asked 100 coaches which one they want, I think 80 of them take Florida first.
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I understand the sentiment, however in Fla you are competing with the Noles, Miami, Bucs and Dolphins for recruits and attention respectively. You do well at UT and you are the Gov'na for life.
 
#63
#63
tidwell said:
I may be wearing my orange sunglasses and I may be blinded by tradition, but I have a hard time putting any SEC school with the lone exception of Alabama ahead of UT on a list like this. Seems like if I was an aspiring coach, Knoxville and Tuscaloosa would be the places I'd want to go.
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it's not your orange colored sunglasses, because if it was, bama would not be the team in front of them.
 
#65
#65
hohenfelsvol said:
Well of course you do.
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Oh my God!! You honestly think most of the coaches would want the UT job? Wow. Florida is one of THE premier posiitons right now, and that's nationally, not just regionally. Face it, far more people west of St. Louis are aware of what the Gators are doing than what the Volunteers (who?) are doing.
 
#66
#66
VolinArizona said:
Florida
Florida State
Miami
USC
Texas
UCLA
LSU
Notre Dame
Georgia
Oklahoma
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Tennessee

Those are probably the top 14 jobs in college football.
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UCLA isn't one of the top 25 jobs in the country. They've never won anything, they never will.
 
#68
#68
lawgator1 said:
Oh my God!! You honestly think most of the coaches would want the UT job? Wow. Florida is one of THE premier posiitons right now, and that's nationally, not just regionally. Face it, far more people west of St. Louis are aware of what the Gators are doing than what the Volunteers (who?) are doing.
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We are starting out our season a PAC10 team. Think we would have more fans in the west aware.

I think the Gators a a big draw but so are the Vols. I think your 20/80 split is off. You live in Gator country so of course you feel the Gator love. And for the folks in St. Louie, I don't think they know much about either.
 
#69
#69
I may give you 50-50 but not 80%. I am a realist, but if I had the opportunity I would personally prefer to raise a family in Knoxville rather than Gainesville. I also think that the UT job is the best in Tennessee, while the Fla job ranks behind Fla State and Miami.

I guess I am saying I would rather be the Gov'na of Tennesee rather than the Mayor of Gainesville.
 
#70
#70
tidwell said:
Are you going there to coach or just have a fun time out on the town while you're there?
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I'm sure a large majority of coaches think about this. I've heard so much about Spurrier wanting a place to golf. I think coaches would spend time in a city like Miami or Berkley than Knoxville. I'm not saying the city is the biggest factor, because it isn't. I think we'd be naive, though, to say its a nonfactor.
 
#71
#71
hatvol96 said:
UCLA isn't one of the top 25 jobs in the country. They've never won anything, they never will.
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Including talent base and the setting, who would you include in the top 25?

Nebraska? Ok, I can see that.
Washington?
Boston College?
Clemson?
Virginia Tech?
 
#72
#72
Lexvol said:
I may give you 50-50 but not 80%. I am a realist, but if I had the opportunity I would personally prefer to raise a family in Knoxville rather than Gainesville. I also think that the UT job is the best in Tennessee, while the Fla job ranks behind Fla State and Miami.

I guess I am saying I would rather be the Gov'na of Tennesee rather than the Mayor of Gainesville.
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What's wrong with Gainesville? Close to Orlando, near Ocala, which is horse country.

The Miami job is s#&t. They are totally done. The FSU job would be enticing, I admit.

But I get it. You are throwing out that Florida is behind FSU and Miami because you think you can antagonize me. And that's where you're right.
 
#73
#73
VolinArizona said:
Including talent base and the setting, who would you include in the top 25?

Nebraska? Ok, I can see that.
Washington?
Boston College?
Clemson?
Virginia Tech?
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Pretty much any job where people actually care would trump UCLA. BYU is a better job. Both Arizona jobs. Pretty much any job in Texas not named Rice or Baylor. Every job in the Big 10 except Indiana and Northwestern. Every job in the Big 12 except OK State, K-State and Baylor. Every SEC job except Vandy and the Mississippi schools. Thta's just a short list of the jobs that are better than being in charge in Westwood. I could care less about "talent base and the setting" because the administration and alums at UCLA don't care if the program is successful. Merely allowing Bob Toledo to coach there proved that point. You have to matter in your own city before you matter nationally.
 
#74
#74
Twenty-Five in No Particular Order
1. USC
2. Notre Dame
3. Texas
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma
6. Tennessee
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan
9. Tosu
10. Miami
11. Florida State
12. Florida
13. Clemson
14. Penn State
15. Pitt
16. Auburn
17. LSU
18. UGA
19. Colorado
20. Wisconsin
21. Georgia Tech
22. UVA
23. TAMU
24. VT
25. KU (Personal Choice)
 
#75
#75
lawgator1 said:
What's wrong with Gainesville? Close to Orlando, near Ocala, which is horse country.

The Miami job is s#&t. They are totally done. The FSU job would be enticing, I admit.

But I get it. You are throwing out that Florida is behind FSU and Miami because you think you can antagonize me. And that's where you're right.
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When I think of national prominence (historically) and alumni support Miami and Fla State are honestly the first two schools that come to mind. I really don't mean to antagonize. Calling the Miami job excriment is really below you. In your heart of hearts you know better.

The fact that I am not that fond of Gainesville has nothing to do with the Gators.
 
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