Rawane Ndiaye to Officially visit this weekend per TOS

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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, but the arguement can be made that Pearl didn't come into a situation where he had to just start adding warm bodies either.

I agree the recruiting needs to improve, like I've said this years class should be the norm, or better.
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I guess that I am most disappointed that from my view it appears the staff has been caught unprepared for roster turnover. Good recruiters never think a class is finished and IMO that's what this staff did here.
 
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BruinVol said:
I guess that I am most disappointed that from my view it appears the staff has been caught unprepared for roster turnover. Good recruiters never think a class is finished and IMO that's what this staff did here.
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I'll let this play out before bashing them...Ndiaye isn't part of this class, and there's talk that Landry won't come in. Who knows maybe Landry goes elsewhere, Reese transfers....and we bring in Mathieu along with Davis and now you've got a top 15 class.

I'll let things finish up before I make my judgment, but if stokes goes and we replace him with Ndiaye you can bet I'll be critical.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Childress GOOD
Tatum GOOD
R. Smith BAD
Tabb BAD
Crews BAD
Chism GOOD
M. Johnson BAD
Williams GOOD
Negedu BAD
Maze GOOD
Hopson GOOD
West BAD
Woolridge BAD
Jurick BAD
Hall BAD
Harris GOOD
Golden GOOD
McRae GOOD
Prince GOOD
Goins GOOD


I see 11 good evaluations and 10 bad evaluations, pretty close to the .500 you speak of...and before this turns into a crews/ramar argument, I count them as bad because, yes they were talented, but part of the evaluation is what kind of person they are, those 2 were failed evaluations in that category.
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I would have to disagree with a lot of the BADs on this list. Ramar and Duke listed as BAD? Pearl misses 2 NCAA tourneys without them on the team. TN doesn't get to a sweet 16 without them. Pearl dismissed them when they became bad. How can you list them as BAD and Williams as good when he failed 4 drug tests is you are categorizing them as "type of persons" also?

Josh Tabb as BAD? He was a pretty good bench player. Just about identical to Richardson, but with a slightly better shot.

Negedu as bad? Cause he had a heart problem and couldn't play. He was here one year. I don't think this was a BAD recruit, I think this was just BAD luck.

West was never a UT player.

On the flip side, not sure how Childress good be GOOD and Hall and Woolridge BAD. Hall and Woolridge were much better than Chill IMO, but that's not saying much.

Maymon should be added to the list as GOOD

I would take Bone for a defensive stopper for 2 years again.

Taking Fields with an open scholly available as a "freebee" for one year was a smart move IMO.

You left off McBee also. I dare you call him BAD.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I would have to disagree with a lot of the BADs on this list. Ramar and Duke listed as BAD? Pearl misses 2 NCAA tourneys without them on the team. TN doesn't get to a sweet 16 without them. Pearl dismissed them when they became bad. How can you list them as BAD and Williams as good when he failed 4 drug tests is you are categorizing them as "type of persons" also?

Josh Tabb as BAD? He was a pretty good bench player. Just about identical to Richardson, but with a slightly better shot.

Negedu as bad? Cause he had a heart problem and couldn't play. He was here one year. I don't think this was a BAD recruit, I think this was just BAD luck.

West was never a UT player.

On the flip side, not sure how Childress good be GOOD and Hall and Woolridge BAD. Hall and Woolridge were much better than Chill IMO, but that's not saying much.

Maymon should be added to the list as GOOD

I would take Bone for a defensive stopper for 2 years again.

Taking Fields with an open scholly available as a "freebee" for one year was a smart move IMO.

You left off McBee also. I dare you call him BAD.
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Williams didn't get dismissed while at Tennessee (he supposedly basically was his final year) that's why I didn't put him in same category as crews and smith...but we can if you want. It's bad evaluation of a person, how many drug issues/arrests has Martin had verse Pearl? Don't turn this to win/losses because I get that, but either Martin is a better evaluator of character, or pearl just didn't care...pick your poison.

Josh Tabb was suspended indefinitely which led to him leaving school, another questionable character call.

I wasn't going to include negedu at all because it really wasn't anyone fault and he wasn't here long enough to be a good or bad...so really id just make him neutral.

West was brought in, the fact he couldn't get in academically was a bad evaluation, right?

As for chill, he was a first class recruit, wasn't highly rated and didn't expect much...he exceeded my expectations honestly, so that's why I said good evaluation.

Yea I did forget Maymon & Fields, that would be considered good.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Williams didn't get dismissed while at Tennessee (he supposedly basically was his final year) that's why I didn't put him in same category as crews and smith...but we can if you want. It's bad evaluation of a person, how many drug issues/arrests has Martin had verse Pearl? Don't turn this to win/losses because I get that, but either Martin is a better evaluator of character, or pearl just didn't care...pick your poison.

Josh Tabb was suspended indefinitely which led to him leaving school, another questionable character call.

I wasn't going to include negedu at all because it really wasn't anyone fault and he wasn't here long enough to be a good or bad...so really id just make him neutral.

West was brought in, the fact he couldn't get in academically was a bad evaluation, right?

As for chill, he was a first class recruit, wasn't highly rated and didn't expect much...he exceeded my expectations honestly, so that's why I said good evaluation.

Yea I did forget Maymon & Fields, that would be considered good.
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I don't think you can say that Pearl didn't care. I think he took top talent and gave kids a chance. There was no hiding the character issues with Ramar and Duke when brought in, but Pearl gave them a chance, the kids are the ones that blew it. If they didn't follow the rules, then they were gone. Everyone loved Major Wingate, but he didn't follow the rules, so he was gone. Tyler Smith was the best player on the team, he didn't follow the rules. So I don't think you can put Pearl in the "don't care" category.

Point is, that Pearl was able to take the 4 and 5 star kids. Some had issues that nobody was hiding when brought it. He gave them a chance, some were successful, some were not. When they didn't, then they were gone. I don't think it was a lack of not being able to evaluate character.

If you tell me that we could have had a kid that had potential character issues but was an elite player that could have taken us to the NCAA tourney the last 2 years, then IMO we take a chance and role the dice... ala Marshall Henderson, Cousins, Ramar, Crews, or whoever it may be. Take all the players off the Pearl teams that you have listed as bad, then we have 11 straight years of missing the tourney instead of 2.

So, with the additions of Maymon, Fields, Bone, McBee then it's really not that close to 50%

Oh, and Tabb was suspended indefinitely for "violation or team rules". He left the team to take care of his sick mother. Pearl said that he still had a year of eligibility if he chooses to return. Pretty admirable to me.
 
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Don't sweat it guys. Just because we offer doesn't mean Ndiaye will accept it. He may get a better scholarship offer from Gardner-Webb or maybe Georgia Southern.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I don't think you can say that Pearl didn't care. I think he took top talent and gave kids a chance. There was no hiding the character issues with Ramar and Duke when brought in, but Pearl gave them a chance, the kids are the ones that blew it. If they didn't follow the rules, then they were gone. Everyone loved Major Wingate, but he didn't follow the rules, so he was gone. Tyler Smith was the best player on the team, he didn't follow the rules. So I don't think you can put Pearl in the "don't care" category.

Point is, that Pearl was able to take the 4 and 5 star kids. Some had issues that nobody was hiding when brought it. He gave them a chance, some were successful, some were not. When they didn't, then they were gone. I don't think it was a lack of not being able to evaluate character.

If you tell me that we could have had a kid that had potential character issues but was an elite player that could have taken us to the NCAA tourney the last 2 years, then IMO we take a chance and role the dice... ala Marshall Henderson, Cousins, Ramar, Crews, or whoever it may be. Take all the players off the Pearl teams that you have listed as bad, then we have 11 straight years of missing the tourney instead of 2.
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Fair enough
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Childress GOOD
Tatum GOOD
R. Smith BAD
Tabb BAD
Crews BAD
Chism GOOD
M. Johnson BAD
Williams GOOD
Negedu BAD
Maze GOOD
Hopson GOOD
West BAD
Woolridge BAD
Jurick BAD
Hall BAD
Harris GOOD
Golden GOOD
McRae GOOD
Prince GOOD
Goins GOOD


I see 11 good evaluations and 10 bad evaluations, pretty close to the .500 you speak of...and before this turns into a crews/ramar argument, I count them as bad because, yes they were talented, but part of the evaluation is what kind of person they are, those 2 were failed evaluations in that category.
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You left off Passly (sp?). I'm pretty sure he was on scholarship for one year.
 
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Childress GOOD
Tatum GOOD
R. Smith BAD
Tabb BAD
Crews BAD
Chism GOOD
M. Johnson BAD
Williams GOOD
Negedu BAD
Maze GOOD
Hopson GOOD
West BAD
Woolridge BAD
Jurick BAD
Hall BAD
Harris GOOD
Golden GOOD
McRae GOOD
Prince GOOD
Goins GOOD
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Whoa.. first off. You are still missing some recruits.. Where is Tyler Smith?!!

Childress?? He actually recruited by Pearl before he was hired. Same with Tabb I believe.

Maybe throw in Steven and Mcbee?

But the big factor you have to include is actually how LONG they have been on the team. You have to count in the players development.

For example:
1 year/ GOOD player (+3)
1 year/BAD player (-1)
2 year/GOOD player (+2)
2 year/ BAD player (-2)
3 year/GOOD player (+1)
3 year/BAD player (-3)
4 year/GOOD player (0)
4 year/BAD player (-4)

So, if a coach recruits a player that's BAD he better get him off the team quickly. If a coach gets a coach that's GOOD he will not lose any points, but rather gains points if he is a One or Done type player.

Results? (-20 to -6) = TERRIBLE
(-5 to +5) = AVERAGE
(+6 to +20) = GREAT
 
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"Originally from Senegal, Ndiaye is someone the staff evaluated in the last couple of months including three weeks ago when Cuonzo Martin was there personally. As most are aware of, Tennessee is already in the middle of a numbers crunch, needing to lose someone from either the roster or among the current three signees to get down to 13 scholarship players for 2013-14.

Some have automatically assumed that bringing Ndiaye in is a sign that Jarnell Stokes has decided to leave. I think that’s probably not the case. Certainly, Stokes could surprise some people and announce that he’s leaving before next week’s April 16 deadline. As of this writing though, it seems like Stokes is going to take some sound advice and return for his junior season. It’s also our feeling that Jordan McRae will make it official this weekend and announce that he’s returning for his senior season as well.

Rather than simply filling Stokes’ spot, it feels to us like bringing Ndiaye in is an insurance policy against Stokes leaving but also a safety net in case someone else from the current roster departs. Martin hasn’t indicated to us that anyone is looking to transfer, but with Thompson already in the boat Ndiaye on an official visit, it makes a lot of sense to keep an eye out for someone deciding to leave for one reason or another. "

-Rob Lewis






Oh please be true!!!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
"Originally from Senegal, Ndiaye is someone the staff evaluated in the last couple of months including three weeks ago when Cuonzo Martin was there personally. As most are aware of, Tennessee is already in the middle of a numbers crunch, needing to lose someone from either the roster or among the current three signees to get down to 13 scholarship players for 2013-14.

Some have automatically assumed that bringing Ndiaye in is a sign that Jarnell Stokes has decided to leave. I think that’s probably not the case. Certainly, Stokes could surprise some people and announce that he’s leaving before next week’s April 16 deadline. As of this writing though, it seems like Stokes is going to take some sound advice and return for his junior season. It’s also our feeling that Jordan McRae will make it official this weekend and announce that he’s returning for his senior season as well.

Rather than simply filling Stokes’ spot, it feels to us like bringing Ndiaye in is an insurance policy against Stokes leaving but also a safety net in case someone else from the current roster departs. Martin hasn’t indicated to us that anyone is looking to transfer, but with Thompson already in the boat Ndiaye on an official visit, it makes a lot of sense to keep an eye out for someone deciding to leave for one reason or another. "

-Rob Lewis






Oh please be true!!!
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For real!!!
 
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Say this is true and he is just an insurance policy. This is like buying fire insurance from some guy on a street corner rather than Allstate. Why even bother?

bleedingTNorange said:
"Originally from Senegal, Ndiaye is someone the staff evaluated in the last couple of months including three weeks ago when Cuonzo Martin was there personally. As most are aware of, Tennessee is already in the middle of a numbers crunch, needing to lose someone from either the roster or among the current three signees to get down to 13 scholarship players for 2013-14.

Some have automatically assumed that bringing Ndiaye in is a sign that Jarnell Stokes has decided to leave. I think that’s probably not the case. Certainly, Stokes could surprise some people and announce that he’s leaving before next week’s April 16 deadline. As of this writing though, it seems like Stokes is going to take some sound advice and return for his junior season. It’s also our feeling that Jordan McRae will make it official this weekend and announce that he’s returning for his senior season as well.

Rather than simply filling Stokes’ spot, it feels to us like bringing Ndiaye in is an insurance policy against Stokes leaving but also a safety net in case someone else from the current roster departs. Martin hasn’t indicated to us that anyone is looking to transfer, but with Thompson already in the boat Ndiaye on an official visit, it makes a lot of sense to keep an eye out for someone deciding to leave for one reason or another. "

-Rob Lewis






Oh please be true!!!
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germanicus said:
Say this is true and he is just an insurance policy. This is like buying fire insurance from some guy on a street corner rather than Allstate. Why even bother?
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Yep I agree. If he is just a back up plan it still screams of being unprepared. A prepared staff would have a better backup plan
 
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If Stokes and McRae stay, then it makes this pill a little easier to swallow. It's still a head scratcher, however.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It still makes no sense why you would bring him in.....scholarships are too valuable but no reason to judge off the bridge yet, he is not a VOL
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Agreed..however I was thinking about this earlier, let's say...Reese and Landry aren't here, those are the 2 casualties for Thompson and Ndiaye. Next year you lose golden, McRae, Edwards, Maymon and stokes...so in the post you're left with Yemi, and that's it. Having Ndiaye gives you a 7 footer returning with a year of experience going into the 14-15 season...otherwise you're depending on probably bringing in 2 freshman bigs to play starter minutes right away. Just playing devils advocate here...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agreed..however I was thinking about this earlier, let's say...Reese and Landry aren't here, those are the 2 casualties for Thompson and Ndiaye. Next year you lose golden, McRae, Edwards, Maymon and stokes...so in the post you're left with Yemi, and that's it. Having Ndiaye gives you a 7 footer returning with a year of experience going into the 14-15 season...otherwise you're depending on probably bringing in 2 freshman bigs to play starter minutes right away. Just playing devils advocate here...
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Per Rob Lewis, Yemi just might be the casualty. If that's the case, the move makes even less sense to me.
 
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germanicus said:
Per Rob Lewis, Yemi just might be the casualty. If that's the case, the move makes even less sense to me.
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What if Yemi isn't a casualty in the sense we are asking him to leave and yemi is leaving because he wants to? Then this move makes perfect sense to me...you could be left with no bigs after the season is over, not a good idea, and at this point aren't too many options.
 
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