Realistically, who should replace Holly?

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Vols4life said:
Balcomb beat Pat before she was at Vandy...Holdsclaw last game at Tennessee she lost to Balcomb
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Incorrect. Holdsclaw's last game was against Duke in the elite 8 at Greensboro in 1999. Gail Goestenkors was the Duke coach.

You are correct that Balcomb beat Pat before she was at Vandy. She was the Xavier coach when they beat the LV's in the 2001 tournament. Holdsclaw was not on that team.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Pretty easy on the eyes also...:cool2:
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Dailey or Shea Ralph would be a very good replacement for Holly.
 
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Oops, I forgot about Balcomb's time at Xavier, where one trip to the Great 8 was the program pinnacle and in fact the farthest she ever took a team:

Head Coaching Record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Ashland (Great Lakes Valley) (1993–1995)
1993-94 Ashland 18-9
1994-95 Ashland 10-17
Ashland: 28-26 (.519)
Xavier (Atlantic 10 Conference) (1995–2002)
1995-96 Xavier 15-13 7-9 8th
1996-97 Xavier 10-17 5-11 8th
1997-98 Xavier 17-12 11-5 T-2nd WNIT 1st Round
1998-99 Xavier 24-9 11-5 T-4th NCAA 2nd Round
1999-00 Xavier 26-5 13-3 3rd NCAA 1st Round
2000-01 Xavier 31-3 15-1 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2001-02 Xavier 12-19 5-11 10th
Xavier: 135-78 (.634) 67-45 (.598)


Vanderbilt (SEC) (2002–present)
2002-03 Vanderbilt 22–10 9–5 T-5th NCAA 2nd Round
2003-04 Vanderbilt 26–8 8–6 4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2004-05 Vanderbilt 24–8 10–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005-06 Vanderbilt 21–11 8–6 T-5th NCAA 2nd Round
2006-07 Vanderbilt 28–6 10–4 T-3rd NCAA 2nd Round
2007-08 Vanderbilt 25–9 11–3 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2008-09 Vanderbilt 26–9 10–4 T-2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2009-10 Vanderbilt 23–11 9–7 T-3rd NCAA 2nd Round
2010-11 Vanderbilt 20–12 10–6 T-3rd NCAA 1st Round
2011-12 Vanderbilt 23–10 9–7 7th NCAA 2nd Round
2012-13 Vanderbilt 21–12 9–7 7th NCAA 2nd Round
2013-14 Vanderbilt 18–13 7–9 T-6th NCAA 1st Round
2014-15 Vanderbilt 15–16 5–11
Vanderbilt: 292–135 (.684) 115–79 (.593)
Total: 455–239 (.654)

She has a decent record but at Vandy her legacy is some SEC conference titles and quite a few earlier exits from the NCAA tournament. A coach of this caliber is not the type to bring home FF's and NCs, which was the point of my original comment.
 
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I think the first to go would be a couple of Assistants if the year goes badly. I figure Holly is certainly here this year and during the off season we could see a couple of Assistants leave if recruiting doesn't change and we lose 8 to 10 games. So speaking about a head coaching change is certainly a year to early.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think the first to go would be a couple of Assistants if the year goes badly. I figure Holly is certainly here this year and during the off season we could see a couple of Assistants leave if recruiting doesn't change and we lose 8 to 10 games. So speaking about a head coaching change is certainly a year to early.
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The way the team's going they may lose more than 10 games.
 
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VolFootballnut said:
The way the team's going they may lose more than 10 games.
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I don't think Dave Hart will fire her even if we do. He loves that 650000 she makes while Geno is making over 2 million and even the SC coach is way over a million. When it comes to pay Holly is way down the line even in women's coaching and if at all possible Hart wants to keep that going for at least a couple more seasons.
 
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Of coaches we might have a realistic shot at getting, I'd like to go after Scott Rueck from Oregon State and Kevin McGuff from Ohio State. Unfortunately, I'm sure Dave Hart has no idea who they are and wouldn't pay them if he did. The only way we're getting a new coach is if Holly resigns.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Pretty easy on the eyes also...:cool2:
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She is also maybe the smartest, most offensively efficient guard I've ever seen play. She wasn't fast. She wasn't athletic. But man did she know how to score the basketball. I think she shot close to 60% for her career.... as a perimeter player. Ridiculous. She could have been one of the all time greats if she didn't destroy her knees.

I don't know if she's ready to be a head coach, but I would sure love to have her on staff to work with our offensively anemic backcourt.....
 
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How about Catchings. She is ready to settle down, getting married, and she is tough. Or maybe Bridget Gordon, we know she's tough. I'm hoping Tyler gets ready soon. He's tough on his players, and knows the game
 
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Volfanj1398 said:
How about Catchings. She is ready to settle down, getting married, and she is tough. Or maybe Bridget Gordon, we know she's tough. I'm hoping Tyler gets ready soon. He's tough on his players, and knows the game
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I'm for getting an assistant from UConn or Notre Dame. I don't think a player or coach should become head coach just because they were with Pat.
 
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armchair said:
This is the type of coach that we need--or someone like her: smart, has head-coaching experience, has proven her ability to take a mediocre or worse program and make it much better--a league champion and ncaa tourney team. She has nothing in common with PS, however, when college basketball was in its infancy. The game is far different from when PS started, what, nearly 40 years ago.
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Enjoy your comments, but our one and two priorities should be recruiting and energy (don't care if they are smart). We need a Dawn Staley/Butch Jones (the anti-Warlick/Summitt) that hopefully grows into a Calipari who keeps their recruiting prowess but gets a bit better (or gets better assistants) over time on the coaching side. If your recruiting is good, you always have a chance, and someone with energy will always keep it interesting. After all, it *is* just entertainment.
 
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Realistically, for better or worse, Holly is not going to be fired this season. Rant and Rave all you want, but it ain't going to happen.

In women's basketball, three Conference Titles and two Elite Eights in three years will allow just about every coach to keep their job. Also, Dave Hart is supposedly a strong backer of Holly.

Just my opinion.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Realistically, for better or worse, Holly is not going to be fired this season. Rant and Rave all you want, but it ain't going to happen.

In women's basketball, three Conference Titles and two Elite Eights in three years will allow just about every coach to keep their job. Also, Dave Hart is supposedly a strong backer of Holly.

Just my opinion.
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Hart will be whistling while Holly directs the decline of the LadyVols(Just like Old Dominion,La Tech and USC).
 
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Hart probably cares little about women's basketball--and I'm positive he knows ZERO about it as he came here from alabama, whose women's program has never been good. He's not stupid, however, and he will come to learn, if he hasn't already, that we have serious coaching issues. I mean, scoring 43 points at home against an unranked team: that alone ought to tell him something along with an almost constant string of ugly performances for years. This isn't just a women's basketball program; it was THE program for a long time and he needs to understand that.
 
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If we get an asst. coach it needs to be one who has watched from up close what it takes to win a NC.

She/he also needs to understand all the other, off-court things it takes to be the face of a nationally recognized program.

They need personal maturity and recruiting experience at the most competitive level.

They need multiple offensive options, including an up-tempo* offense, and a defense that creates more transition points.
* understanding that they won't be able to do up-tempo for awhile until injuries heal and we regain some depth on the bench. Can't run our own girls very much if they have no one to spell them.
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:question: Now I know y'all are smart enough to see what I've done. Ironically, tellingly, or frustratingly... Holly Warlick fairly fits the above description. I'M NOT DEFENDING HOLLY. I'm just saying finding a real and long-term solution to our problem is not going to be that simple.

BTW: There are a thousand losing coaches who are tough! Whether you call it toughness, high expectations, or player accountability... yes, it's necessary. But it's also only one of a hundred characteristics of a great coach.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
BTW: There are a thousand losing coaches who are tough! Whether you call it toughness, high expectations, or player accountability... yes, it's necessary. But it's also only one of a hundred characteristics of a great coach.
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Your post is spot on but this point deserves some emphasis. Too many people seem to assume that the LVs or any team fail to play well because the coach is too permissive and that bringing in a "tough" coach will solve the presumed problems. A great cautionary tale is the U of Wisconsin women's program who had been coached by Jane Albright. She had a really strong first few years and then got stuck in a muddled period. The rap was that she was too much of "players coach" and the program needed a firing-breathing Bobby Knight disciplinarian to set things straignt. So, they passed up some really interesting candidates for the one who had the requisite nail eating, crocodile wrestling, "make my day" level of toughness-- the no messin' around Lisa Stone. After 8 mediocre years and evaporating recruiting prospects, she was fired with a just over 500 record and one NCAA appearance; a first round loss to boot.

There is a lot more to success than being tough.


One thing i have noticed about holly is that her pregame speeches (at least what we see televised) hit the same notes that CPS did-- play for all those fans who came here to see you; think about the jersey you are wearing; pride in the program. But, Holly does not exude the same authority and inspirational power as Pat. I wonder if her whole approach is Pat-lite. It would not surprise me since that is really her primary role model (with a long period of apprenticeship) but it is clear she needs to find a different approach.
 
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madtownvol said:
I wonder if her whole approach is Pat-lite. It would not surprise me since that is really her primary role model (with a long period of apprenticeship) but it is clear she needs to find a different approach.
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It's not even Pat-lite. It's like a Pat-impersonator. She's trying to coach via paint-by-numbers off the CPS playbook without any adjustments. The speeches, the emphasis on defense, etc...

And at the end of the day, who's going to settle for a tribute act when you can go see a different original performer instead. That's what the LVs need.
 
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Holly lacks presence, gravitas, weight, or seriousness - call it whatever you want. That's more an observation than a criticism. I think Mad and Amb are generally correct that Holly needs to find her own path or formula. Maybe she has, I don't know, but if so, it's not been very successful.
 
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I'd like the powers that be to look into the coach that has did well at UTM. He is a great X's and O's Guy. He is young and a go getter. Wouldn't it be ironic, after all, that's where we got Pat Head Summit.
 
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j'adorevol89 said:
Hmmmm I'm all for Niele Ivey I really like her and I think she would make a great head coach.. But if he are going the former LV route let's go after Kara Lawson... Kara is extremely smart and I'm pretty she sure that she would tear these girls a new and have them playing like Tenn should
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I totally agree! I think Lawson has a great basketball mind and the résumé to lead this program even though she has no coaching experience. Ivey is known as an excellent recruiter, she's young and I believe she would have this team playing at a much higher level. She would also bring that Princeton offense with her. I would think she'd hire Skylar Diggins as an assistant coach and I believe that would do wonders for our guards to have them both coaching them. Imagine the star power of DeShields and Diggins at Tennessee, that'll definitely draw recruits. Lawson and Ivey would be both safe and spectacular hires. Safe because administration wouldn't have to throw millions at them because they have no head coaching experience. Spectacular because they both possess great qualities to lead a program.
 
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