Realistically, who should replace Holly?

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Sandvol said:
Those were the allegations. It was with a former player. She's been coaching women's pro basketball for years. I'd give her another chance.
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The words "former player" added a lot of confusion when the allegations were made. Chatman supporters used it in her defense. However, Chatman's "inappropriate" relationship apparently happened while the player was an active member of the team. The player was only former at the time of the allegation - not at the time of the relationship. That's why she didn't fight for her job.


From an ESPN article at the time of her resignation -
"when asked if it had occurred while the player was a member of a team coached by Chatman, a university source said, "that's my understanding."
 
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brassie said:
The words "former player" added a lot of confusion when the allegations were made. Chatman supporters used it in her defense. However, Chatman's "inappropriate" relationship apparently happened while the player was an active member of the team. The player was only former at the time of the allegation - not at the time of the relationship. That's why she didn't fight for her job.


From an ESPN article at the time of her resignation -
"when asked if it had occurred while the player was a member of a team coached by Chatman, a university source said, "that's my understanding."
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She also filed a $1 million lawsuit against LSU claiming they had discriminated against her because she was black and a female. Not employable by a university - I'm even surprised she has had such a good job in the WNBA. Can you imagine if a man did this?
 
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I'd give Kellie Harper a shot.

I know she didn't impress at NC State after a stellar novice job at Western, but she always struck me as Pat, Jr. Same steely gaze & even sounds the same.

She's already beaten one SEC team this year.

Fan base would (should) immediately embrace her, and her three NC give her the bonafides with players. She's young, attractive, family-oriented, and hungry to prove herself.

Plus she knows something about offense...and about gutting out injuries.
 
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brassie said:
The words "former player" added a lot of confusion when the allegations were made. Chatman supporters used it in her defense. However, Chatman's "inappropriate" relationship apparently happened while the player was an active member of the team. The player was only former at the time of the allegation - not at the time of the relationship. That's why she didn't fight for her job.


From an ESPN article at the time of her resignation -
"when asked if it had occurred while the player was a member of a team coached by Chatman, a university source said, "that's my understanding."
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What does that mean inappropriate? They're two women. Were they carpet munching or did they just hold hands?
 
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creekdipper said:
I'd give Kellie Harper a shot.

I know she didn't impress at NC State after a stellar novice job at Western, but she always struck me as Pat, Jr. Same steely gaze & even sounds the same.

She's already beaten one SEC team this year.

Fan base would (should) immediately embrace her, and her three NC give her the bonafides with players. She's young, attractive, family-oriented, and hungry to prove herself.

Plus she knows something about offense...and about gutting out injuries.
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She'd be better than Holly.
 
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creekdipper said:
I'd give Kellie Harper a shot.

I know she didn't impress at NC State after a stellar novice job at Western, but she always struck me as Pat, Jr. Same steely gaze & even sounds the same.

She's already beaten one SEC team this year.

Fan base would (should) immediately embrace her, and her three NC give her the bonafides with players. She's young, attractive, family-oriented, and hungry to prove herself.

Plus she knows something about offense.
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Throw some nice money at Shea Ralph or Carol Owens.
 
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Courtney Banghart (born May 11, 1978) is the head women's basketball coach at Princeton University. Prior to coaching at Princeton, she served as an assistant coach for four years at Dartmouth College. She is a 2000 alumna of Dartmouth, where she played college basketball. In 1999 and 2000, she led Dartmouth to two Ivy League Championships. She holds Dartmouth records for 3 pointers in a game, season, and career.
As an assistant coach at Dartmouth, Banghart helped lead Dartmouth to two Ivy League Championships, and two NCAA appearances in 2005 and 2006. Dartmouth went 70-44 those seasons including 41-15 in Ivy League play.

In 2007, Banghart became the head coach for the Princeton Tigers. Since then, her teams have won five Ivy League outright championships from 2010 through 2015, and, as a result, appeared in five NCAA Women's Division I Tournaments. Her most recent team was one of the 32 remaining teams in the 2015 tournament.
In 2015, the United States Basketball Writers Association named Banghart Coach of the Year. Fortune named her one of the World's 50 Greatest Leaders for "taking charge of a mediocre team that had never made the NCAA Tournament" while ensuring players met Princeton's academic standards.


Sounds very similar to a coach named Pat Summitt.
 
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Just a thought in this coaching thread from an outside voice - the only architect of a major D1/P5 program to jump ship that I can remember was Gail when Texas backed up a truck loaded with at that time an obscene amount of money and bought her away from Duke. TX has that kind of money, pretty much no other school in the country does. So people like Brenda, Kim, Muffet, Jeff, Mathew who have built their current programs are really unlikely to choose to caretake another program for a coaching legend. TN for the foreseeable future is Pat's team and those coaches already have their own team and large contracts.

The most likely 'available' coaches that would take on 'Pat's team' are either current assistants at P5 established programs, head coaches of rising P5 teams who haven't yet established themselves nor are being paid serious money, or HCs of good mid-major programs who want a shot at the big time.

TN with its facilities, history, and fan base is an attractive job, and being a P5 team will never fall to the level of LaTech - if things go badly it may spend some time in the wilderness like TX did, but it will always have the resources to resurrect itself.
 
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#110
I'm not on board for replacing a coach until the season is over. I'm not going to give up just yet.
UCONN boards are saying we should go after Niele Ivy at ND. She is responsible for bringing in their top talent starting with Diggins.
 
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volfanIND said:
I'm not on board for replacing a coach until the season is over. I'm not going to give up just yet.
UCONN boards are saying we should go after Niele Ivy at ND. She is responsible for bringing in their top talent starting with Diggins.
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Ronald McDonald could have gotten Diggins to ND. It was her dream to play for the Irish. I wouldn't give anybody credit for that one.
 
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creekdipper said:
I'd give Kellie Harper a shot.

I know she didn't impress at NC State after a stellar novice job at Western, but she always struck me as Pat, Jr. Same steely gaze & even sounds the same.

She's already beaten one SEC team this year.

Fan base would (should) immediately embrace her, and her three NC give her the bonafides with players. She's young, attractive, family-oriented, and hungry to prove herself.

Plus she knows something about offense...and about gutting out injuries.
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Kelli as a Pat Jr.? Have you ever heard one of Kelli's huddles during a time out? It was about as opposite of anything I have heard from Pat. Kelli's time out talk sounded like the "little train that could" story. "You can do it. I know you can do it". I never heard any fire there. Maybe she has changed but it was like she didn't want to offend anyone during timeouts. I think that's part of the problem now.
 
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Until something happens if I was Warlick I would ring Linn Dunn. I know she would give her some input on how to run an offense.
 
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Volle said:
+1 on Brenda Freese-- she's an ass-kicker, and would do well here. Otherwise, I would look for somebody out of the Geno coaching tree. If you can't lick them, join them!
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We don't need anything that has to so with creepy Geno.
 
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We can do better. Kellie had her shot and then some and was not effective at all. Not in recruiting and not with her players' execution. There will be a 2 dozen "up & comers" that have great rack records that would be interested in this job. Also, I wouldn't be stuck solely at looking for alums of the Program.
Sandvol said:
She'd be better than Holly.
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LVJeff said:
I wouldn't be too concerned with what Holly says in an interview. Coaches speak in generalities. Pat was big on empowerment. She wanted the players to take control of their lives and be responsible for their own destiny. This is Holly's way of saying the same thing - "I'm not going to fix it, you have to."

I am more concerned about the product on the basketball court than what Holly says. There needs to be demonstrable improvement soon.
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I believe that the road trip will speak volumes about this team and the coaching staff. If the product is good on the floor then it means she got it fixed. Players are not going to fix it all on their own.
 
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rizla said:
Courtney Banghart (born May 11, 1978) is the head women's basketball coach at Princeton University. Prior to coaching at Princeton, she served as an assistant coach for four years at Dartmouth College. She is a 2000 alumna of Dartmouth, where she played college basketball. In 1999 and 2000, she led Dartmouth to two Ivy League Championships. She holds Dartmouth records for 3 pointers in a game, season, and career.
As an assistant coach at Dartmouth, Banghart helped lead Dartmouth to two Ivy League Championships, and two NCAA appearances in 2005 and 2006. Dartmouth went 70-44 those seasons including 41-15 in Ivy League play.

In 2007, Banghart became the head coach for the Princeton Tigers. Since then, her teams have won five Ivy League outright championships from 2010 through 2015, and, as a result, appeared in five NCAA Women's Division I Tournaments. Her most recent team was one of the 32 remaining teams in the 2015 tournament.
In 2015, the United States Basketball Writers Association named Banghart Coach of the Year. Fortune named her one of the World's 50 Greatest Leaders for "taking charge of a mediocre team that had never made the NCAA Tournament" while ensuring players met Princeton's academic standards.


Sounds very similar to a coach named Pat Summitt.
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This is the type of coach that we need--or someone like her: smart, has head-coaching experience, has proven her ability to take a mediocre or worse program and make it much better--a league champion and ncaa tourney team. She has nothing in common with PS, however, when college basketball was in its infancy. The game is far different from when PS started, what, nearly 40 years ago.
 
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armchair said:
This is the type of coach that we need--or someone like her: smart, has head-coaching experience, has proven her ability to take a mediocre or worse program and make it much better--a league champion and ncaa tourney team. She has nothing in common with PS, however, when college basketball was in its infancy. The game is far different from when PS started, what, nearly 40 years ago.
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Not that my opinion means squat, but I would rather see the LVs take a flyer on a high profile coaching newbie, who has the right stuff, like a Kara Lawson or go with a star assistant from an elite program. The latter type of candidate would at least be familiar with the right recruiting circles and be used to working with top flight players. There is a difference between coaching a mediocre team to over achieve (and a style of ball that goes with that type of line-up) and getting a team of racehorses to run full stride and in unison. On paper, we have the talent but it is not achieving.
 
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brassie said:
Dailey will never leave UConn but Ralph is an interesting possibility. When she played she left everything on the court. My understanding is that she coaches the same way. She has a dozen years as an assistant coach, including 8 years as an assistant at UConn. She is also a good talent scout and recruiter. And she's a southern girl.
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Pretty easy on the eyes also...:cool2:
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Hmmmm I'm all for Niele Ivey I really like her and I think she would make a great head coach.. But if he are going the former LV route let's go after Kara Lawson... Kara is extremely smart and I'm pretty she sure that she would tear these girls a new and have them playing like Tenn should
 
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madtownvol said:
Not that my opinion means squat, but I would rather see the LVs take a flyer on a high profile coaching newbie, who has the right stuff, like a Kara Lawson or go with a star assistant from an elite program. The latter type of candidate would at least be familiar with the right recruiting circles and be used to working with top flight players. There is a difference between coaching a mediocre team to over achieve (and a style of ball that goes with that type of line-up) and getting a team of racehorses to run full stride and in unison. On paper, we have the talent but it is not achieving.
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Remember when Melanie Balcomb beat Pat and all the horses she had!!! A coach can coach high profile or not another example is Stanstill? At MTSU
 
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Vols4life said:
Remember when Melanie Balcomb beat Pat and all the horses she had!!! A coach can coach high profile or not another example is Stanstill? At MTSU
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Yes, and how many NCs did Balcomb have? That is right, zilch. How many FFs? Not one. Vandy always peaked out at the SEC tournament.
The LVs have been equally that level of achievement just fine.

Vandy played the classic bomb from threes, slow tempo, and play a deep zone defense. Vandy's weird home court also gave them a peculiar kind of advantage. But she did not have a recipe for winning NCs or even making a final four.
 
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madtownvol said:
Yes, and how many NCs did Balcomb have? That is right, zilch. How many FFs? Not one. Vandy always peaked out at the SEC tournament.
The LVs have been equally that level of achievement just fine.

Vandy played the classic bomb from threes, slow tempo, and play a deep zone defense. Vandy's weird home court also gave them a peculiar kind of advantage. But she did not have a recipe for winning NCs or even making a final four.
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Balcomb beat Pat before she was at Vandy...Holdsclaw last game at Tennessee she lost to Balcomb
 
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