really?

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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i see your point, and that make some sense. If it comes down and you have no say so in your government or how things go for your area, and you are getting the shaft end of the deal, do i think that is cause for war? Yes. approx 90% of southerners did not own slaves, and a lot of influential leaders in the south released their slaves at the outset of the war.
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so at least you understand how black America has felt for its entire history in this country. I'm not sure we'd view a war from that crowd as justifiable. They might be right about some of it and they might be wrong, but you show that you can understand why outfits like the NAACP exist.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
so at least you understand how black America has felt for its entire history in this country. I'm not sure we'd view a war from that crowd as justifiable. They might be right about some of it and they might be wrong, but you show that you can understand why outfits like the NAACP exist.
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yes, i see why they existed. but sometimes there needs to be a sunset on some programs/organiziations. Look at the firefighters case (cant remember where) but no minority scored a high enough score on the test to be considered, however 2 white guys did, and they just closed the position because of a quota?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
to state that it was about anything else is simply an effort to mask reality.
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Exactly. Flying a Confederate battle flag is no different than waving a Nazi flag. Both were the symbols of racist armies who were Hellbent on the destruction of America and got their asses kicked. Then again, the flag of a bunch of losers is an appropriate symbol for the wife beater wearing, rusted pickup truck driving 'necks who fly the Stars and Bars.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. Flying a Confederate battle flag is no different than waving a Nazi flag. Both were the symbols of racist armies who were Hellbent on the destruction of America and got their asses kicked. Then again, the flag of a bunch of losers is an appropriate symbol for the wife beater wearing, rusted pickup truck driving 'necks who fly the Stars and Bars.
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:lolabove:

comments like that are laughable because someone that is constantly trying to be ant-racist or whatever comes out with a stereotypical comment that is drawing vast connections that merit no truth. Where in history did the confederacy cost the deaths of millions? Where were the death camps in the south? (Andersonville doesnt count) thats just ignorant.

and far the last part, if i said those NAACP are nothin but a bunch of fried chicken eatin, watermelon slicin, welfare mongerin drains on society i would be called a bigot and racist. funny how that works
 
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I've read that a higher percentage of northerners owned slaves than southerners. I'm not sure if that's true, and it would be hard to verify in a history book because it's not something that historians would want to publicize. The argument I read was that while there were a larger number of slaves in the South, they were owned by very few wealthy people that owned large plantations. Most people in the South were too poor to own slaves. In the North there was a larger number of wealthy people that owned slaves to work in their household. I'm sure Norther slaves were treated better; but if it's true, I find it ironic that the South gets such a bad rap regarding slavery.

I've also read that Lincoln won the election despite not even being on the ballot in most Southern states. I firmly believe that the slavery issue was the major reason for succession and was caused by rich Southern landowners; but I have to believe the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that fought in the war, did so for other reasons than the interest of a few plantation owners.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. Flying a Confederate battle flag is no different than waving a Nazi flag. Both were the symbols of racist armies who were Hellbent on the destruction of America and got their asses kicked. Then again, the flag of a bunch of losers is an appropriate symbol for the wife beater wearing, rusted pickup truck driving 'necks who fly the Stars and Bars.
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Don't forget the mid 30's, cut off jean short wearing, leather skinned grandmas!
 
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red butler said:
I've read that a higher percentage of northerners owned slaves than southerners. I'm not sure if that's true, and it would be hard to verify in a history book because it's not something that historians would want to publicize. The argument I read was that while there were a larger number of slaves in the South, they were owned by very few wealthy people that owned large plantations. Most people in the South were too poor to own slaves. In the North there was a larger number of wealthy people that owned slaves to work in their household. I'm sure Norther slaves were treated better; but if it's true, I find it ironic that the South gets such a bad rap regarding slavery.

I've also read that Lincoln won the election despite not even being on the ballot in most Southern states. I firmly believe that the slavery issue was the major reason for succession and was caused by rich Southern landowners; but I have to believe the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that fought in the war, did so for other reasons than the interest of a few plantation owners.
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The Civil Wars roots started in the mid 1810's.

The entire reason for the war was the expansion of slavery west. One might even add, a consequence of the war with Mexico.

The soldiers may have thought they were defending their states from the a tyrannical government, but all they were doing was fighting for those few plantation owners.

:hi:

It doesn't matter if the South got a bad rap for slavery. It was a stroke of pure political genius by Lincoln to ensure the Southern Cause would not receive outside help from Europe.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
and far the last part, if i said those NAACP are nothin but a bunch of fried chicken eatin, watermelon slicin, welfare mongerin drains on society i would be called a bigot and racist.
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No, you'd be called an idiot. Then again, I'm sure you're used to that.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
and far the last part, if i said those NAACP are nothin but a bunch of fried chicken eatin, watermelon slicin, welfare mongerin drains on society i would be called a bigot and racist. funny how that works
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You know, whenever I find myself in a large hole, I tend to stop digging.
 
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red butler said:
I've read that a higher percentage of northerners owned slaves than southerners. I'm not sure if that's true, and it would be hard to verify in a history book because it's not something that historians would want to publicize. The argument I read was that while there were a larger number of slaves in the South, they were owned by very few wealthy people that owned large plantations. Most people in the South were too poor to own slaves. In the North there was a larger number of wealthy people that owned slaves to work in their household. I'm sure Norther slaves were treated better; but if it's true, I find it ironic that the South gets such a bad rap regarding slavery.

I've also read that Lincoln won the election despite not even being on the ballot in most Southern states. I firmly believe that the slavery issue was the major reason for succession and was caused by rich Southern landowners; but I have to believe the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that fought in the war, did so for other reasons than the interest of a few plantation owners.
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I don't think that's possibly true. The north not only had a higher population but slavery had been banned for at least 15 years or more in most of the northern states by the time the war started. The percentage of black population at that point was also much lower in the north.

The War was no different than any other in terms of how it was sold. You're correct in thinking that most of the Confederate soilders considered their battle to be one over state's rights, but the War was fought because southern plantation owners wanted legal slavery.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ah, good to see what a Southern Conference education gets you. About what I expected.
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ehh another lame personal attack. thats the problem with people like you, if someone has a different opinion instead of having a debate about it you resort to name calling which shows an obvious insecurity. I pity you hat, your lame attempts at an over-compensation for an obvious severe deficiency is rather sad.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
ehh another lame personal attack. thats the problem with people like you, if someone has a different opinion instead of having a debate about it you resort to name calling which shows an obvious insecurity. I pity you hat, your lame attempts at an over-compensation for an obvious severe deficiency is rather sad.
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You calling someone deficient is like Susan Boyle calling someone ugly. It's always funny that the only people on here who say I resort to name calling are the really dumb ones. Then again, that's because I debate in a civil manner with those who possess IQs above room temperature. It's a very simple rule of thumb: If I rip you, it's not because your opinion is different than mine, it's because you are an imbecile.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You calling someone deficient is like Susan Boyle calling someone ugly. It's always funny that the only people on here who say I resort to name calling are the really dumb ones. Then again, that's because I debate in a civil manner with those who possess IQs above room temperature. It's a very simple rule of thumb: If I rip you, it's not because your opinion is different than mine, it's because you are an imbecile.
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ahh we got an internet billy bad @$$. so because my opinion is different then yours that makes me an imbecile?

resort to name calling lets see you insulted me by basicaly calling me stupid which is name calling there slug-o guess what dude not everyone has your same perspective, and does that make them stupid? i wouldnt say so there internet tough guy, thanks for playing though jackass (see i can name call as well)
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. Flying a Confederate battle flag is no different than waving a Nazi flag. Both were the symbols of racist armies who were Hellbent on the destruction of America and got their asses kicked. Then again, the flag of a bunch of losers is an appropriate symbol for the wife beater wearing, rusted pickup truck driving 'necks who fly the Stars and Bars.
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First of all, I will remind you that the northern armies were not saints. Read many of the letters written by Federal troops in response to the Emancipation Proclamation and you will see some racism. In fact, the leader of the United States was a racist, as were many of its armies foremost commanders (Sherman immediately comes to mind).

Also, the South was not trying to destroy America. Had the Confederacy won the war, the United States still would have existed, only less the Southern states.

Lastly, the Confederacy lasted four years against overwhelming Northern resources in men and materiel. To say the South got its ass kicked is like saying a one-point win in a football game is a blowout.
 
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Thats good your comfortable. I would think you would "conclude" that while you may be a good guy, your pretty much a jerk on here. To suddenly think someone is uneducated, feeble minded, etc without knowing crap about them is stupid by itself. Its a message board man, nothing serious..yet you always find a way to point out something negative or degrade someone. I mean making fun of someone cause they went to a SoCon school..I mean really? Maybe not everyone is high and mighty.....maybe everyone cannot afford to go to a big school. Its beside the point.
 
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