really?

#76
#76
OrangeEmpire said:
The South had plently of resources and were quite inivatitve. ( Good grief, Richmond had supplies for the soldiers for a year and half at the fall of Petersburg. I can't help the commisar department was horribly run.)

The problem was the lack of a central government to take over and wage war. It was the Federal Government vs each Southern State.

Transportation was also a blunder of the southern states. The North had uniform railway gauges and each southern state had a variant of railway gauges.

The Southern cause was lost from the beginning.
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i would say more of a long shot
 
#77
#77
OrangeEmpire said:
I forgot to mention. If Lee had cut Pennsylvania in half and then approached Philly, I could see a Confederate Victory.

I mean, Philly was being evacuated when Lee was in Maryland.
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also if it wasnt for the blunder of pickett's charge theres no tellin how gettysburg would have turned out
 
#78
#78
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
also if it wasnt for the blunder of pickett's charge theres no tellin how gettysburg would have turned out
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The Battle was Lost when Stuart decided he was going for a joy ride and left Lee blind.

Furthermore, all hope was lost when Ewell decided not to take Culp's Hill on the First Day.

Longstreet was right, Lee should have moved past the Federal Left Wing and got in between the Army of the Potomac and Washington.
 
#79
#79
OrangeEmpire said:
The Battle was Lost when Stuart decided he was going for a joy ride and left Lee blind.

Furthermore, all hope was lost when Ewell decided not to take Culp's Hill on the First Day.

Longstreet was right, Lee should have moved past the Federal Left Wing and got in between the Army of the Potomac and Washington.
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true.
 
#80
#80
hatvol96 said:
That's why you shouldn't think. The folks on here who have met me can attest that I am far worse in person. I don't have "board rules" to abide by then.
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I cannot attest to that, sorry, but you are still entertaining.
 
#85
#85
OrangeEmpire said:
The reason the war was not over in late 1862 was Old Brains wanted to occupy territory over engaging the southern armies.

Also, the lack of a strong central confederate government kept any thing from really happening. The soldiers could have had new uniforms every campaign season but the State of North Carolina charged the confederate government outrageous prices.

Take a look at the pictures of North Carolina regiments......... you'll never find a tattered soldier.

Stonewall was best suited as a Corps commander. I know you are going to point out the Valley Campaign but that was on a limited scale and he did not have to coordinate his battle plan on a large scale with his commanders. Jackson was not suited for Army command.
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On what do you base your opinion that Jackson would not have done well in command of, for example, the Army of Northern Virginia?
 
#88
#88
On the list of American historical events I would have greatly enjoyed being present at and viewing, the torching of Atlanta is certainly in the Top 5.
 
#89
#89
hatvol96 said:
No. Your father has been attempting to bum money from me so your mother can quit giving handjobs to truckers in exchange for bologna sandwiches.
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This might be one of the funniest things I've ever read on an internet message board.
 
#94
#94
Vol_4_Life said:
The fall of Atlanta, which secured Lincoln's reelection, was the beginning of the end.
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When England secured cotton through Egypt the war began to end. A non-unified, poorly developed, uneducated, new country with no foreign aid had no chance of survival. Especially with a capitol hardly over 100 miles away from Washington D.C.
Sure, they won battles, and sure they could easily have won more. But even if the confederate offensive had successfully convinced the good ole Abe to allow their succession, the Confederacy would have never survived. The government was too loose to do anything productive, thus appeasing no one. Slavery, and the South's agrarian economic base would have slowly given way to other countries advances. Not to mention, this weak new "country(if the Confederacy can be called that)" would have been incredibly susceptible to future Federal attacks. And they would have lost.
 
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#95
BigPapaVol said:
Gettysburg was absolutely the beginning of the end.
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How so? Without a doubt, Gettysburg was a big loss for the Confederacy, with the Army of Northern Virginia suffering roughly 30% casualties in that battle. Still, Lee left Pennsylvania with a large army of still-confident veterans that would fight on for two more years. In fact, the Gettysburg Campaign, to some degree, was a success for Lee, as he procured mountains of foodstuffs while in Pennsylvania. In addition, the month he spent in Pennsylvania gave Virginia farmers time to produce more foodstuffs for the Army of Northern Virginia.

The capture of Atlanta was the final nail in the coffin of the Confederacy. With Lincoln's reelection assured by the fall of Atlanta, the war would be carried through to its inevitable conclusion.
 
#96
#96
I really doubt that NASCAR is going to feel the pinch of losing the vast legions of NAACP members who constitute their fanbase. At the end of the day, all this is going to do is help the business of whatever importer it is who fills orders for cheap, Chinese made confederate battle flags for Stucky's.
 
#97
#97
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I really doubt that NASCAR is going to feel the pinch of losing the vast legions of NAACP members who constitute their fanbase. At the end of the day, all this is going to do is help the business of whatever importer it is who fills orders for cheap, Chinese made confederate battle flags for Stucky's.
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Yeah, this is basically like the KKK boycotting BET.
 
#98
#98
Vol_4_Life said:
How so? Without a doubt, Gettysburg was a big loss for the Confederacy, with the Army of Northern Virginia suffering roughly 30% casualties in that battle. Still, Lee left Pennsylvania with a large army of still-confident veterans that would fight on for two more years. In fact, the Gettysburg Campaign, to some degree, was a success for Lee, as he procured mountains of foodstuffs while in Pennsylvania. In addition, the month he spent in Pennsylvania gave Virginia farmers time to produce more foodstuffs for the Army of Northern Virginia.

The capture of Atlanta was the final nail in the coffin of the Confederacy. With Lincoln's reelection assured by the fall of Atlanta, the war would be carried through to its inevitable conclusion.
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without a true threat to the populace of the Union, the folks casting votes could afford to approach the war as I do a nightly newscast. Some interest, but nothing to really move me. Somebody might barrel through town next week and take every usable item with them, I start pushing for a cessation because the issues driving the war aren't very near and dear to my heart.
 
#99
#99
Vol_4_Life said:
On what do you base your opinion that Jackson would not have done well in command of, for example, the Army of Northern Virginia?
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He wouldn't tell his jacket his plans.

Undoubtably you are going to point to the Valley Campaign. No doubt Jackson's brilliance is seen but he commanded a small force which he could contain.

Jackson given more men in the form of a Corps started to have command problems which we see during the 7 days campaign. Of course, you are probably going to point to fatigue, but there is nothing to dispute the fact that Jackson keeping plans to himself hurt in the pursuit of the overall destruction of the Army of the Potomac.

Any who, Jackson would not take it as long as Lee was alive.

:good!:
 
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