really?

#51
#51
Vol_4_Life said:
First of all, I will remind you that the northern armies were not saints. Read many of the letters written by Federal troops in response to the Emancipation Proclamation and you will see some racism. In fact, the leader of the United States was a racist, as were many of its armies foremost commanders (Sherman immediately comes to mind).

Also, the South was not trying to destroy America. Had the Confederacy won the war, the United States still would have existed, only less the Southern states.

Lastly, the Confederacy lasted four years against overwhelming Northern resources in men and materiel. To say the South got its ass kicked is like saying a one-point win in a football game is a blowout.
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"If i could save the union without freeing any slave i would do it"
-Abraham Lincoln

"I have never been in favor of bringing equality to the black and white races"
-Abraham Lincoln
 
#57
#57
hatvol96 said:
If you can collect enough aluminum can this summer, you can catch the Greyhound up to Knoxville for one of our pregame meetings. We can always use comedic relief.
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oh wow really? that is so awesome. thanks man!!! :eek:k:

and you were talkin about the educational system in GA and you live in TN???? :post-4-1090547912:
 
#58
#58
Vol_4_Life said:
First of all, I will remind you that the northern armies were not saints. Read many of the letters written by Federal troops in response to the Emancipation Proclamation and you will see some racism. In fact, the leader of the United States was a racist, as were many of its armies foremost commanders (Sherman immediately comes to mind).

Also, the South was not trying to destroy America. Had the Confederacy won the war, the United States still would have existed, only less the Southern states.

Lastly, the Confederacy lasted four years against overwhelming Northern resources in men and materiel. To say the South got its ass kicked is like saying a one-point win in a football game is a blowout.
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Subscribe to the Southern Mystique a little?

:banghead2:
 
#60
#60
OrangeEmpire said:
Hang on...... you are big into Southern Mystique also?

:blink:
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allow me to clarify, after the north began to pick up victories post gettysburg is was just a matter of time for the south. It also hurt that Stonewall Jackson was killed, he was one of the if not the best southern general
 
#61
#61
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
allow me to clarify, after the north began to pick up victories post gettysburg is was just a matter of time for the south. It also hurt that Stonewall Jackson was killed, he was one of the if not the best southern general
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I mean how can you know this???..... afterall your just a public school teacher in GA who got his education in the Southern conference. :crazy:
 
#65
#65
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
allow me to clarify, after the north began to pick up victories post gettysburg is was just a matter of time for the south. It also hurt that Stonewall Jackson was killed, he was one of the if not the best southern general
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The reason the war was not over in late 1862 was Old Brains wanted to occupy territory over engaging the southern armies.

Also, the lack of a strong central confederate government kept any thing from really happening. The soldiers could have had new uniforms every campaign season but the State of North Carolina charged the confederate government outrageous prices.

Take a look at the pictures of North Carolina regiments......... you'll never find a tattered soldier.

Stonewall was best suited as a Corps commander. I know you are going to point out the Valley Campaign but that was on a limited scale and he did not have to coordinate his battle plan on a large scale with his commanders. Jackson was not suited for Army command.
 
#69
#69
OrangeEmpire said:
The reason the war was not over in late 1862 was Old Brains wanted to occupy territory over engaging the southern armies.

Also, the lack of a strong central confederate government kept any thing from really happening. The soldiers could have had new uniforms every campaign season but the State of North Carolina charged the confederate government outrageous prices.

Take a look at the pictures of North Carolina regiments......... you'll never find a tattered soldier.

Stonewall was best suited as a Corps commander. I know you are going to point out the Valley Campaign but that was on a limited scale and he did not have to coordinate his battle plan on a large scale with his commanders. Jackson was not suited for Army command.
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i see your point, however Jackson was an invaluable commander. The lack of central government was detremental because a coordinated plan could not be really established, then throw in interstate trade and commerce etc.

however one could make the arguement that if Davis would have just fought a non-invasive war, then things may have played a little differently
 
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#72
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i see your point, however Jackson was an invaluable commander. The lack of central government was detremental because a coordinated plan could not be really established, then throw in interstate trade and commerce etc.

however one could make the arguement that if Davis would have just fought a non-invasive war, then things may have played a little differently
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It was all a matter of time for the Confederacy.

Only two outcomes would have brought a confederate victory.

1.) Foreign help, which Lincoln destroyed with emancipation.

2.) A successful and prolonged invasion of the North.
 
#73
#73
OrangeEmpire said:
It was all a matter of time for the Confederacy.

Only two outcomes would have brought a confederate victory.

1.) Foreign help, which Lincoln destroyed with emancipation.

2.) A successful and prolonged invasion of the North.
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i disagree with that one, i mean we can play thursday morning quarterback 150 years later but, with the limited resources and transportation a prolonged campain and occupation would have only accelerated the fall of the confederacy. plus from a diplomacy standpoint we only play a war of defense, then the north are the agressors
 
#74
#74
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i disagree with that one, i mean we can play thursday morning quarterback 150 years later but, with the limited resources and transportation a prolonged campain and occupation would have only accelerated the fall of the confederacy. plus from a diplomacy standpoint we only play a war of defense, then the north are the agressors
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The South had plently of resources and were quite inivatitve. ( Good grief, Richmond had supplies for the soldiers for a year and half at the fall of Petersburg. I can't help the commisar department was horribly run.)

The problem was the lack of a central government to take over and wage war. It was the Federal Government vs each Southern State.

Transportation was also a blunder of the southern states. The North had uniform railway gauges and each southern state had a variant of railway gauges.

The Southern cause was lost from the beginning.
 
#75
#75
I forgot to mention. If Lee had cut Pennsylvania in half and then approached Philly, I could see a Confederate Victory.

I mean, Philly was being evacuated when Lee was in Maryland.
 
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