Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Yeah probably is a combination of Joe having the team/locker room on his side. We saw what the Jeremy Banks issue did to our locker room right before the South Carolina game last year.

We do not speak of such things now as the pain is still deep… Damn game kept us out of the playoff. Son of a… lol

 

[GVol1966]

I don’t think we see Milroe run or try to escape much. The rumor of his hamstring issues is starting to rise again. The past two games he hasn’t been mobile and has took plenty more sacks. I know the media in bama country have stated it’s not true but you can definitely tell something is going on with him.

That’s the worse news ever, I can see it now:
He gets hurt and Ty Simpson comes in an instantaneous turns into Aaron Rogers 2.0.

 

[Chuckie]

That’s the worse news ever, I can see it now:
He gets hurt and Ty Simpson comes in an instantaneous turns into Aaron Rogers 2.0.

No, we broke the backup curse with Klubnik.

 

[Vol423]

That’s the worse news ever, I can see it now:
He gets hurt and Ty Simpson comes in an instantaneous turns into Aaron Rogers 2.0.

I'd love to see him try. We might break the UT single-game sack record.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Milroe's deep stats are what we all thought Milton's would be coming into the year.

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YET, their stats are similar.

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Please no soft zone, please no soft zone, please no soft zone













Unless we get burnt one time for a TD, then we will allow giving it a try.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

i was at every single home game and several road games that Tee Martin qb’d…. i am far from a Tee fan but this offense doesn’t take a special qb…. Tee would have run it a lot more in todays times and with everyone spread out… He had a pretty deep ball and quicker processing…. i feel that he would be able to complete passes since they wouldn’t require fitting them into tight windows. Joe has been a very big disappointment for me…. i hope he plays better saturday or at least hits a couple of deep ones.

Tee would have more rushing yards, but he was inaccurate as hell. I think his numbers would have been better, but I don’t think he’d be much better than Joe in the passing game.

Now Dobbs in this offense…that would have been special.

 

[RudyVol]

Milroe's deep stats are what we all thought Milton's would be coming into the year.

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YET, their stats are similar.

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I'm stunned that Milton has more rushing yards than Milroe. Take out the 80 yarder and Milroe has more but I'm still surprised he only has 139. He runs like a truck.

Edit: Milroe also has a 53 yarder so that's a wash. Forgot that college football records sacks as a rush so Milroe has lost a ton of yards on those. Yards on the year don't really give you a good measure of how well/poorly a QB runs, guess that has to be done with eyes.

 

[itsme]

I work for a company that makes hygiene products. I jokingly told the VP of sales that maybe we should start selling tampons specifically marketed for men. He said he’d resign before that ever happens.

Would they wrap their scrotum around it and clip it in? Slogan "the Manpon, the only tampon that lasts a lifetime because you don't bleed."

 

[Orange.]

Everyone in the place, including the Aggies DB's, thought the flag was about to fall.

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The SEC officiating and the coverup that Danielson sold were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that Nico likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close, circumspective look at the game replay.

 

[RudyVol]

i was at every single home game and several road games that Tee Martin qb’d…. i am far from a Tee fan but this offense doesn’t take a special qb…. Tee would have run it a lot more in todays times and with everyone spread out… He had a pretty deep ball and quicker processing…. i feel that he would be able to complete passes since they wouldn’t require fitting them into tight windows. Joe has been a very big disappointment for me…. i hope he plays better saturday or at least hits a couple of deep ones.

I think you said it better than myself. I think he's stunk it up but people tend to disagree for xyz reasons. He's been disappointing as a starter here and I don't see a ton of things to disagree with there. Glad I'm in these shoes complaining at 5-1 vs 1-4 or 2-3 Pruitt seasons.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

That’s the worse news ever, I can see it now:
He gets hurt and Ty Simpson comes in an instantaneous turns into Aaron Rogers 2.0.

If we get to play against Simpson and Buchner then we will destroy them.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

I’m just flabbergasted at listening to Pate and the On3 wannabe at their take on this game. My condensed take on their picks…. “Bama sucks and their OL is trash. TN DL is stout and they have a sick run game. We have the same line at -8.5. Bama is winning this thing.”

I’m not saying we definitely motorboat Bama but there’s clearly question marks on both teams.

My hot take… If Joe can play within himself (the biggest question mark we have) and be a game manager and make a few throws when we need them then I think we win by two scores.

 

[MarcoVol]

I’m just flabbergasted at listening to Pate and the On3 wannabe at their take on this game. My condensed take on their picks…. “Bama sucks and their OL is trash. TN DL is stout and they have a sick run game. We have the same line at -8.5. Bama is winning this thing.”

I’m not saying we definitely motorboat Bama but there’s clearly question marks on both teams.

My hot take… If Joe can play within himself (the biggest question mark we have) and be a game manager and make a few throws when we need them then I think we win by two scores.

Prob has something to do with Bama having the most talented team in the country in composite rankings and Milroe being able neutralize some of the pass rush with his legs

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I'm stunned that Milton has more rushing yards than Milroe. Take out the 80 yarder and Milroe has more but I'm still surprised he only has 139. He runs like a truck.

Edit: Milroe also has a 53 yarder so that's a wash. Forgot that college football records sacks as a rush so Milroe has lost a ton of yards on those. Yards on the year don't really give you a good measure of how well/poorly a QB runs, guess that has to be done with eyes.

Yeah Bama as a whole has lost 208 yards because of sacks this year. Milroe either didn’t play or didn’t start against USF I think it was, can’t remember, so his is probably a little less but still he has lost a lot of yards to sacks. The only team that has more sack yards allowed than Bama is Colorado this year. They’ve allowed 330

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yeah, that guy, who was dogged the entire 1998 season. There wouldn't have named that street in Oct. of '98.

Tee had games like Joe where he couldn't hit the broad side of a freaking barn while having uber talented WRs and RBs.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I dont get it, how did Joe do so good last year in the orange bowl, with the same wr’s as this year, and still our passing game has regressed this significantly? Golesh didn’t coach in Bowl Prep or the game, so thst doesn’t have as much about it as people think

Because he gets in his head more and more as it goes on.

 

[engineerVOL]

Tee had games like Joe where he couldn't hit the broad side of a freaking barn while having uber talented WRs and RBs.

@frank reminded me we beat Florida in ‘98 with Tee throwing for 64 yards.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Our RBs have gotten elite at following blocks and being patient for the hole to open...that is really good coaching and really good listening on display.

 

[Glitch]

See, this is where I display my true value...

I have no idea. Some of my preferences would be no more relatable to players/recruits (Metallica, AC/DC, etc.). I also listen to a good bit of rap and hip-hop (relatable to players/recruits), but realize that a sizeable contingent of the crowd would lose their damn minds if that's what we did. So I don't know the answer.

There are a lot of good iconic songs that most people would know that are not country that would be more up beat. You are correct on the rap / hip-hop. Many in the crowd would not know the songs and many of the old timers' heads would explode. I think you could find something from the 2000's that is a little more relevant and mainstream that would be a crowd pleaser.

 

[volinokc]

This is why television is so powerful.

Like Coach Garner said in his recent interview: he wants to train his players to be good men, but at the end of the day these guys also know they are in the entertainment business.

It’s too bad that business often dehumanizes the entertainers and the entertained can’t look beyond their own emotional attachment.

 

[Orange.]

Please take the trouble to read #27,384, although it is long.

I apologize for not being able to say more succinctly what I think needs to be said. But it is very important imo. Thank you.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Our RBs have gotten elite at following blocks and being patient for the hole to open...that is really good coaching and really good listening on display.

Agreed, especially Wright. His patience is sooo much better than it was even last year, but especially better than two years ago where if he didn’t immediately see a hole he started to bounce it outside. I always thought Small had decent patience but even his has been better this year too.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You telling me we’re going to see a Tee Martin vs. USCE performance on Saturday?

I’ll take it.

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Now do one of his bad-mediocre games..lol.

I have always said that Tee Martin owning the consecutive pass completion record was the very epitome of irony.

 

[UT = Checkmate]

One of the things I am most surprised by on offense this year is there hasn’t been a single bust in the secondary that we have taken advantage of.

Last year it was at least one a game.

Last game there was one. Keaton dropped it

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I dont understand that whole story. Sometimes things just arent worth the the time to find more info about.

That's your peeps Jack