Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Nash_Vol97]

There are a lot of good iconic songs that most people would know that are not country that would be more up beat. You are correct on the rap / hip-hop. Many in the crowd would not know the songs and many of the old timers' heads would explode. I think you could find something from the 2000's that is a little more relevant and mainstream that would be a crowd pleaser.

I have a brilliant idea. What about, “4th Quarter for what!?”

*Runs and hides*

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Danielson was awful in that game. He has true dislike for UT and I hope he withers away next year having to try and feign interest in Indiana vs Iowa

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Good lord... some of ya'll have forgotten how frustrating Tee Martin was if we lose just 1 game in '98 he wouldn't even be mentioned around here.

Yep..

 

[MockingVol]

I’m just flabbergasted at listening to Pate and the On3 wannabe at their take on this game. My condensed take on their picks…. “Bama sucks and their OL is trash. TN DL is stout and they have a sick run game. We have the same line at -8.5. Bama is winning this thing.”

I’m not saying we definitely motorboat Bama but there’s clearly question marks on both teams.

My hot take… If Joe can play within himself (the biggest question mark we have) and be a game manager and make a few throws when we need them then I think we win by two scores.

I think the two big sticking points are:

1. Bama is more battle tested than us to this point. Our good stats come against a pretty week schedule, while Bama’s comparable stats come against one of the harder schedules in the nation (This could play as a counter point though since they are on their 8th straight game / should be tired).
2. Outside of LSU last year, we have not shown to be a team that plays well on the road. We’ve played one road game this year and we all know how that went.

 

[UT = Checkmate]

Just do a song that gets everyone hype. I think my only problem with friends in low places is that it is slow. So do a hip hop or Rock song.

 

[Vol423]

Good lord... some of ya'll have forgotten how frustrating Tee Martin was if we lose just 1 game in '98 he wouldn't even be mentioned around here.

Tee Martin was not a great quarterback, but he was a strong competitor and leader. While he didn't have the physical gifts of Milton, he was a better QB than Milton.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

More Spooky Rocky Top please

 

[Vol423]

Tee would have more rushing yards, but he was inaccurate as hell. I think his numbers would have been better, but I don’t think he’d be much better than Joe in the passing game.

Now Dobbs in this offense…that would have been special.

Back when Tee played, defenses could manhandle receivers, and there was no targeting. If a wide receiver ran a route over the middle, they knew they would pay for it, and secondary players were active headhunters. Therefore, completion percentages for everyone were lower.

 

[Ace]

The last two games we have played are against SEC teams at home with Mays back at center. That is a big help for our first big road test with him back. He should make a difference that we did not have at Florida. The Florida game was our 2023 version of the 2022 South Carolina game. It is in our rear view mirror. Time to push ahead and run the ball down Bama’s throat and hopefully hit a few big pass plays. Defense has stepped up and hopefully learned from Florida game. Carter, Herring and Tellander are improving each week along with secondary. It is time to make it two in a row against Bama, knock the air out of KY and then get some payback on UGA. Go Vols!!!

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Wouldn’t it be something if we win out and Florida beats UGA.

But then loses to FSU and loses in the SEC championship game.

Tennessee breezes into the playoffs.

Wouldn’t it be easier to just win out?

I’m fine with the gators beating uga, then losing to mizzou and lsu. Then beating fsu.


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[Glitch]

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The officiating and the coverup that Danielson was selling were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that he likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close circumspective look at the game replay.

Nessler immediately says that it should be PI before Danielson starts talking about Milton underthrowing the ball. I distinctively remember Kamal Hadden getting called for PI in a game earlier this year, maybe APSU, where the announcers for that game talked about when a ball is underthrown and the CB doesn't turn their head you will get PI called every single time.....caveat....unless you are UT.

 

[Volunteer821]

@frank reminded me we beat Florida in ‘98 with Tee throwing for 64 yards.

And almost half of that was to price on that Td pass I think.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was their own idea (and thus as a result now they think they instead defending themselves) really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that the negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a big positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI in question, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note (and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you without rewatching some games): the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The officiating and the coverup that Danielson was selling were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that he likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close circumspective look at the game replay.

There were at least three egregious missed PI's.

They also missed at least 3 obvious holds on our d-line

Another big penalty was the .1 second facemask on Spraggins. An insane call considering they were blind on so many. His hand grazed the facemask and that never gets freaking called. Killed a drive.

The Kaleb Webb hold was another AWFUL call.

It's an entirely different game if they call any of those PI's or holds on them. Or if they keep the flags in their pocket on the spraggins or instance.

Our false start after Gabe's INT was crushing.

As much as our offense struggled, Joe and the receivers struggled, the penalties helped kill any chance of getting into a rhythm.

Just sucks that we are going to T-town where we know the costly penalties will continue.

 

[Vol423]

Last game there was one. Keaton dropped it

No he didn't. Keaton has never dropped a pass for UT.

 

[wuwh_08]

Please take the trouble to read #27,384, although it is long.

I apologize for not being able to say more succinctly what I think needs to be said. But it is very important imo. Thank you.

This video highlights a clear case of defensive pass interference. Turning off the sound shows the indisputable evidence. When sound is on, Gary "Bama" Danielson diverts attention from the pass interference, creating a false narrative and unfairly criticizing Milton. Danielson failed in his role as a replay analyst and influenced viewers to ignore the officiating issues.

Many people in the forum have unknowingly adopted Danielson's biased perspective, shifting blame from officiating to Milton. This demonstrates the power of television and its impact on viewer perceptions. Without biased officiating, Milton's narrative would be positive, and the offense would be celebrated. Danielson's criticism of Milton's passes is unjustified, as pass interference was the real problem. The blame lies with SEC officiating, not Heupel's quarterback decisions.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Yeah probably is a combination of Joe having the team/locker room on his side. We saw what the Jeremy Banks issue did to our locker room right before the South Carolina game last year.

I don't know man. Joe is like 37 years old. He's huge. He has a commanding personality. I don't know if there's anyone in the locker room who feels they can hold him to account. And because of that I don't think the coaches need to be thinking too much about how much the locker room likes him.

And the rest of the team, minus the wide outs at times, are playing great football. So forget Joe, put the entire team in the meeting room and show that interception in the end zone. I give the team enough credit to see bad football IQ when it appears.

"Hey Nico, what is one route you can never throw against a single high safety look?"

"Post route"

"Congrats on winning the starting QB job Nico"

 

[rikberry31]

There's absolutely no way. You mean to tell me the 98/99 team didn't need Tee Martin to make any plays, ever? Milton cannot make the plays that we need to win a game. It's that simple. He showed that early this year against Florida.

Well, we need Tee on fourth down against Ark. in 98...Defense pulled us out of the fire.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

It's KEYTON you dyslexic donkeys!

 

[VolGee4]

Nessler immediately says that it should be PI before Danielson starts talking about Milton underthrowing the ball. I distinctively remember Kamal Hadden getting called for PI in a game earlier this year, maybe APSU, where the announcers for that game talked about when a ball is underthrown and the CB doesn't turn their head you will get PI called every single time.....caveat....unless you are UT.

That was the APSU game, where I think Hadden got called for 2 PI's. Then, the APSU DB does the exact same thing in the endzone, and they don't call it.

 

[rikberry31]

Lol. Stop.

Every Vol fan wants the best for Milton and anyone who puts on that Orange Uniform.

Fans can be upset that he isn’t playing well because he isn’t. That doesn’t mean that I or others don’t hope every game that he changes and crushes it.

Facts are facts though and he isn’t playing well. I will always cheer for him and hope he improves though. I would love nothing more than a 300 yard multiple TD game this weekend.

The Ends will determine the historical narrative. If we beat the Bubbas and the Puppies Joe and this team will be revered just like many of the past. Women forget the pain of childbirth once the baby arrives.

 

[you]

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The SEC officiating and the coverup that Danielson sold were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that Nico likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close, circumspective look at the game replay.

I like this post.

However, the refs also didn’t call obvious face mask calls on us. Two of them. Those could have changed the trajectory of the game also. It works both ways.

 

[rikberry31]

Tee had games like Joe where he couldn't hit the broad side of a freaking barn while having uber talented WRs and RBs.

And a defense that was the ultimate eraser. I know someone who broke a remote because of Tee.

 

[Vol464]

Below avg qb with elite arm imo

Elite athleticism as well

 

[VolGee4]

There were at least three egregious missed PI's.

They also missed at least 3 obvious holds on our d-line

Another big penalty was the .1 second facemask on Spraggins. An insane call considering they were blind on so many. His hand grazed the facemask and that never gets freaking called. Killed a drive.

The Kaleb Webb hold was another AWFUL call.

It's an entirely different game if they call any of those PI's or holds on them. Or if they keep the flags in their pocket on the spraggins or instance.

Our false start after Gabe's INT was crushing.

As much as our offense struggled, Joe and the receivers struggled, the penalties helped kill any chance of getting into a rhythm.

Just sucks that we are going to T-town where we know the costly penalties will continue.

Just to add. Watch the slow motion replay of Barron's missed face mask. The OL has a handful of jersey preventing him from getting to the RB. It didn't matter as A&M still scored.

 

[Chuckie]

Just do a song that gets everyone hype. I think my only problem with friends in low places is that it is slow. So do a hip hop or Rock song.

I agree. I just wish there was a song that was undoubtedly a song of, by and for Tennesseans that would make the crowd lose its mind.