Recruiting Football Talk VII

[UTgrad2015]

Good lord... some of ya'll have forgotten how frustrating Tee Martin was if we lose just 1 game in '98 he wouldn't even be mentioned around here.

I didn’t forget. I was just 6 years old

 

[Vol423]

Below avg qb with elite arm imo

Elite arm strength with a capital E - strongest arm I've ever seen. His accuracy is absolute crap though, and that is more important than having elite arm strength.

 

[RudyVol]

Well, we need Tee on fourth down against Ark. in 98...Defense pulled us out of the fire.

It hit Peerless Price right in the hands?! I just watched the highlights though and Tee looked awful but so did the defense 1H and I saw a punt return fumbled.

 

[Weezer]

I didn’t forget. I was just 6 years old

Well you should have been born earlier.

 

[Brillovol]

These are great. Can’t find one for UT tho. I imagine it would be…

“Tanny say balls”

 

[Ten_Titans]

Elite arm strength with a capital E - strongest arm I've ever seen. His accuracy is absolute crap though, and that is more important than having elite arm strength.

If you're going to have elite arm strength, you have to also have elite accuracy. At least in the short-intermediate stuff.

I don't think Hendon was tremendously more accurate than Joe is. But Hendon had anticipation and touch.

A ball that is 6-12 inches off can still be caught if you're putting some air under it and leaving out in front of them.

A piss rope rocket ball that's a foot off might as well be 100 feet off.

 

[HalfullVol]

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The SEC officiating and the coverup that Danielson sold were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that Nico likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close, circumspective look at the game replay.

@DanielsonCBS
THIS

Please put @DanielsonCBS on blast via VolTwitter !!

Please please please, please please do it!

 

[TN-POSSUM]

@DanielsonCBS
THIS

Please put @DanielsonCBS on blast via VolTwitter !!

Please please please, please please do it!

Agreed....

 

[Ten_Titans]

This is very instructive. Please TURN OFF THE SOUND and watch 3 times. That is exactly what you saw, and there was not a doubt in your mind that was flagrant uncalled defensive pass interference.

Now TURN ON THE SOUND and watch and listen. This is important. You will experience the exact moment that Gary "Bama" Danielson talked even most RF posters, not to mention the whole world, into completely ignoring the PI and turn the situation into an attack on Milton.

Danielson completely shirked his responsibility to focus on and call out the PI (here and elsewhere in our passing game). Danielson is the replay analyst.

Danielson created a false narrative. With respect to the blatant pass interference (which it was the responsibility of the replay analyst to explain, it was a complete impertinent whether a more perfect pass were possible. The pass was adequate and would have been caught without the flagrant uncalled foul. Consciously or unconsciously Danielson instead proceeded to overwrite the direct experience of his viewership with a criticism targeted at Milton. He did this regularly throughout the game.

Whether the resulting uproar on our board about Milton that Danielson launched leading into Bama week was a mere coincidence or a habit, or a desire of his own, one can't say with certainty. That he effectively covered for the officiating instead of thematizing it, as a competent and neutral analyst would have done, is beyond dispute.

My concern is how very many people in their posts in this forum I have seen repeating and elaborating at length on Danielson's anti-Tennessee and anti-Milton replacement for this (and other) game-changing calls. Remarkable people do this as if "recalling" "their own" experience of the game. Anyone and everyone who has replaced the primary issue of the grossly anti-Tennessee officiating and anti-Tennessee "analyst" commentary with their unconsciously imitative speeches about Milton has been Danielson-ized and had their memories tampered with.

And for anyone who wants to defend what "Bama" Danielson said (because they as viewers or rather hearers inadvertently permitted Danielson to cause themselves to believe that Danielson's speech was pertinent and in fact their own idea really needed to quietly perform the experiment I suggest. And calmly reflect on it, quietly and to themselves.

This is why television is so powerful.

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different. The offense would have been a great positive story, just like the defense. (To take one example: if not for the uncalled PI I am discussing, followed by another penalty moving us back, the play where Milton did not pick up the 4th and 2 on the scramble would never have occurred.

Considering also the similar, prominent uncalled PI in the endzone on a Milton pass. You will notice now that Danielson employed his same tactic there again of replacing the question of the blatant PI -- which wiped a TD off the board -- with an impertinent story about Milton's pass. The pass was adequate and the uncalled PI, not the pass, determined the outcome. In all likelihood we would have had 21 first quarter points.

Also note further -- and review some games from last year if this is not immediately evident to you -- the passes that Danielson was attacking Milton over on the two PIs that I am discussing were exactly like some passes that Hooker threw and completed last year. They were catchable passes made incomplete by cheating with impunity. The throw was not the fault. The SEC officiating and the coverup that Danielson sold were at fault.

As for Nico, we would have had so great a lead that Nico likely would have played and gotten SEC experience. The fault was the officiating, not Heupel's for not changing QBs, which latter is a false anti-Tennessee narrative, that is refuted by a close, circumspective look at the game replay.

Some of y'all get so worked up over stuff that doesn't matter lol. Gary has been indiscriminately ruining football broadcasts since I was in diapers. I'm in a Facebook group dedicated to making fun of him. Meanwhile you've spun an entire alternate universe where the refs call two extra penalties. On top of Nico playing in a blowout win, I hope I have tens of millions of dollars and a giant package in that universe also.

Gary sucks. The refs, they have sucked all year. At least this game they managed to suck more or less equally for both sides. Missing two obvious facemasks out in the open in the backfield is just as egregious as the missed PI's.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I agree. I just wish there was a song that was undoubtedly a song of, by and for Tennesseans that would make the crowd lose its mind.

Copperhead Road..it even goes with the "Once two strangers climbed old Rocky Top lookin for a moonshine still" and the contradictory rebellious, scrappy yet loyal volunteer theme of our state.

 

[JCVol00]

Because he gets in his head more and more as it goes on.

All the more reason we need to try to get him in a rhythm early

 

[Brillovol]

All the more reason we need to try to get him in a rhythm early

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Alabama's left tackle situation is really awful ya'll..... just sayin'.

Arkansas Landon Jackson came into the game last week with two sacks. One against Kent State and one against BYU. Dude had 3.5 against bama. He is not nearly as athletic as JPjr, Roman, Baron, or Joseph's and he was running and ducking right past bama's LT. The dude also had 11 tackles where his previous season high was 5. Now Bama did rotate left tackles, but it was a struggle all game long.

I think Bama's offense is a lot worse than ours actually. They only moved the ball when Arkansas had horrible busts in coverage. Milroe had a couple nice intermediate throws and they had a few good runs but....meh.

 

[orange parmejohn]

I can’t disagree on their assessment of Milton.

 

[Jackcrevol]

That's your peeps Jack

 

[Ashevolle]

I don't know man. Joe is like 37 years old. He's huge. He has a commanding personality. I don't know if there's anyone in the locker room who feels they can hold him to account. And because of that I don't think the coaches need to be thinking too much about how much the locker room likes him.

And the rest of the team, minus the wide outs at times, are playing great football. So forget Joe, put the entire team in the meeting room and show that interception in the end zone. I give the team enough credit to see bad football IQ when it appears.

"Hey Nico, what is one route you can never throw against a single high safety look?"

"Post route"

"Congrats on winning the starting QB job Nico"

So your idea is to hold a team meeting (minus Joe), show them Joe's interception, and ask them to decide whether he should be benched for Nico? It's a real wonder you aren't coaching somewhere.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Titans fans: get ready to break out the Hellmann’s following the bye week.

 

[rikberry31]

You telling me we’re going to see a Tee Martin vs. USCE performance on Saturday?

I’ll take it.

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That's cherry picking of the highest order. USCjr. was the worst team in the league, they were God awful. I would have had a good day. I love Tee, he was a Vol, but let's not rewrite history and let's let today's team finish writing before we compare.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

The Ends will determine the historical narrative. If we beat the Bubbas and the Puppies Joe and this team will be revered just like many of the past. Women forget the pain of childbirth once the baby arrives.

So if we win 6-3 both games and Joe plays terribly we will love Joe for the wins.

Makes perfect sense.

And women don’t forget, they realize the pain is worth it for the gift of a child.

 

[Chuckie]

Copperhead Road..it even goes with the "Once two strangers climbed old Rocky Top lookin for a moonshine still" and the contradictory rebellious, scrappy yet loyal volunteer theme of our state.

Hot take incoming (and if anyone needs me I'll be taking my laps), but I think Copperhead Road is average at best. As it relates to songs about the brewing of moonshine, I like "Down in the Gulley" by Brent Cobb a lot more, but that doesn't really help us in our 4th quarter song conundrum.

 

[rikberry31]

Good lord... some of ya'll have forgotten how frustrating Tee Martin was if we lose just 1 game in '98 he wouldn't even be mentioned around here.

They're too young to remember, but they can google stats.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

That's cherry picking of the highest order. USCjr. was the worst team in the league, they were God awful. I would have had a good day. I love Tee, he was a Vol, but let's not rewrite history and let's let today's team finish writing before we compare.

When has Milton ever had close to those stats even against awful teams?

Milton has not been good. It is what it is. But let’s just pray he does get better and balls out. Everyone hopes he does.

But trying to convince everyone we have the best QB and he has been good is just false.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

They're too young to remember, but they can google stats.

Which... are also awful for the most part.

Like when I think of our great QBs, Tee is never one of them. People putting him in their top 5 or whatever I understand because he was the guy when we won it all and he did make plays. But so many better QBs have played here and just weren't lucky enough to have a great team around them.

 

[Ten_Titans]

So your idea is to hold a team meeting (minus Joe), show them Joe's interception, and ask them to decide whether he should be benched for Nico? It's a real wonder you aren't coaching somewhere.

What do you mean minus Joe? No. If the entire team is fighting for Joe to be the QB, which is most likely not the case, then go through the mistakes in front of everybody and have anyone on the team, including Joe, explain them.

My point is rhetorical. Everyone on the team knows Joe is playing inexplicably bad at times. He can't "have the locker room" to the degree that VQ has suggested he might unless the team cares more about Joe being out there than they do about winning.

There's just no way the culture of the team is so solid that the defense isn't at all frustrated that they dominated a talented team all day, and were still closing out the game up by a single possession.

 

[mrmax86]

As for Milton, if the game had been unbiasedly officiated, we would have had so large a lead that this negative "story" about Milton would be completely different.

I feel like there's been something like this in EVERY GAME this year. Whether it's officiating or lack of execution, or something else.

Your post inspired me. I have been on the fence about creating a thread for this for several days.

I'm going to take some time this afternoon to compile all the points left on the field by the Vols this season. Stay tuned. I'll create it in the FF and link it here.