Recruiting Football Talk VII

[rjd970]

Joe isn’t “Josh’s guy” he’s our 6th year qb who was recruited out of high school by Michigan more than half a decade ago. Last year, when coach recruited Nico to Tennessee, he established that Nico is his guy. Joe is a very solid QB, but of course we expect Nico to be great & he will, in time. He’s 19. We don’t have to burn Nico’s redshirt when our issues don’t singularly land on the QB’s head. They just don’t. WR’s have been suspect this year. RB’s effective. Rhythm matters and when you can’t get into a rhythm because guys aren’t catching balls and the refs aren’t making calls, calls we were getting last year specifically defensive pass interference, it makes it very difficult for anyone, Joe, Nico, or otherwise.

Nick Saban raised enough fuss over the off season to reasonably affect how this conference (and seemingly nationwide) penalizes defensive pass interference. A penalty we got 3 times/game on average last season and a penalty we haven’t hardly seen all year. It’s hard to justify certain play calling when you know certain balls are riskier because DB’s can play physical with no repercussions. We are in a situation where we are learning the new rules as we go and for a team with our offensive identity it’s more difficult than others. Hence why we’ve all of a sudden got one of the top rushing attacks in the league. Our coach is smart and is finding ways to win around the new rules.

Let’s hope next year we at least get an updated official rule book so we can game plan the actual rules of the game and be able to put Nico in a real position for success. Are they going to call DPI? Did we watch Arizona State? It’s getting ridiculous

Good with all that, but the physicality officials are allowing makes the DPI called on us that was the slightest of tugs on the jersey that didn’t affect the receiver in any way on an uncatchable pass needs to be explained. I’m good with whatever rule changes are put in effect as long as they are called fairly.

That penalty extended a drive for Bama where they got points.

 

[rjd970]

I have an unhealthy disdain for the SEC and officiating front office this morning.

 

[nashvol1]

Good point. Great teams never have a half where they implode. We’ve imploded in 2 halfs (UF and Bama) already this year. You never see UGA/Bama/OSU do that. They’ll have moments where they won’t play well but they’ll never implode.

We’re getting there but we are still on the culture change journey. Need more consistent QB play too.

Huepel is not Kirby or Saban. He also implodes at times, like the 4th down giving your opponent a short field and completely turning the momentum. He lacks in game feel and discipline at times. Also seems to not fully grasp how to keep the team motivated.

Whatever was said at halftime yesterday was the difference and he got completely schooled in the second half.

With all this said, there are only 4 or 5 coaches in the game who are better in my mind and he just happens to coach against two of them annually.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Good with all that, but the physicality officials are allowing makes the DPI called on us that was the slightest of tugs on the jersey that didn’t affect the receiver in any way on an uncatchable pass needs to be explained. I’m good with whatever rule changes are put in effect as long as they are called fairly.

That penalty extended a drive for Bama where they got points.

Not even that, but they took 7 off the board for us when they didnt call the hold on Castles in the first quarter. Shouldve been a new set of downs and half the distance.

 

[Govolsman98]

Huepel is not Kirby or Saban. He also implodes at times, like the 4th down giving your opponent a short field and completely turning the momentum. He lacks in game feel and discipline at times. Also seems to not fully grasp how to keep the team motivated.

Whatever was said at halftime yesterday was the difference and he got completely schooled in the second half.

With all this said, there are only 4 or 5 coaches in the game who are better in my mind and he just happens to coach against two of them annually.

And thankfully he won't have do it annually starting next season

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Today is the first time I wish we weren’t in the SEC.

I don’t like where this conference is going.

It was great back in the day. No longer.

I feel like it’s Bammer and UGA but to hell with everyone else..

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[GVol1966]

At this point we know what we get with Joe. My biggest thing with him, was escaping when play breaks down, and being impactful when running. Also, need him to see the field better. When Castles was open running right, and he chose to throw to a covered player to left, who wouldve had to make an ESPN catch. I knew our goose was cooked.

As a 6'5", 240 lbs human. He should easily be able to line up behind center, and fall forward for the first down. That play wasnt the game, but, was so
important for him mentally, and momentum.

That really comes down to play calling to me. It was a doomed play from the get go. Further, as we all knew. If we went away from the run, we would lose. TN has a couple of difficult times running, and we go back to passing - quick three and outs.

What happened first half to second? Same at Florida? Bama adjusted. We didnt. The offensive game plan in first have included spreading the ball. Joe was making good decisions. Runs were being ripped.

Second half either the play calling got worse, or it stayed the same. I think its been that way all year. I think Huep needs to reevaluate Halzle as OC.

Which is it? The three straight runs that went nowhere or the quick 3 and out passes?
Seems like whatever was called wasn’t being executed, so what would you have done?
Both were working in the first, neither was working in the second,? So I’m not so sure jumping to the conclusion that playcalling was our biggest problem.

 

[zhangliao04]

Well, Bama’s ran all over us in 2nd half yesterday. That made me question us against the run a little.

I’m not questioning it at all. That officiating crew just let that Bama OL, which is one of the most penalized in the nation BTW, do anything they wanted without recourse. Including multiple blocks in the back and hugging our DL right in plain view.

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[Jackcrevol]

Which is it? The three straight runs that went nowhere or the quick 3 and out passes?
Seems like whatever was called wasn’t being executed, so what would you have done?
Both were working in the first, neither was working in the second,? So I’m not so sure jumping to the conclusion that playcalling was our biggest problem.

Isnt it logical to say that 'the person whose direct responsibility is play calling should, have a game plan to include modifying said play calling if and when it isnt working?'

So, if the answer is yes, as it should be. Then, it isnt a 'jump to conclusions'. Alabama was making adjustments, including the money hitting the refs back accounts.

If your QB cant see the forest for the trees (Callan open running right), then you get on the phone and get in his ass.

 

[GVol1966]

Even hall of fame coaches have head-scratching games. Steve Spurrier once lost to Mike DuBose twice in the same season. It happens.

We’re probably going to go 8-4 or 9-3 this year. Considering out recent history, that’s a pretty good follow up to an 11-2 campaign. If Heupel’s red flags are that he puts up a stinker or two in otherwise very good seasons, I can live with that. Because, eventually, he’ll have a team that’s good enough and deep enough to overcome that.

Posters on here expecting a coach to be perfect and never make a bad decision.
There’s not one , every coach out there has made questionable decisions this year. Period!!!
Every team has played below their capabilities at least once this year, guaranteed.
If the idiots on here can’t look at the overall body of work and know we have a good coach then there’s no need in trying to convince them.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Moving on from executing at a very high level, to self implosion. Next week you come out, hand the ball to Wright, once. Twice. And then, fake handoff, and let Joe pick up 20.

PA, pass on a TE Wheel Route.

Rinse. Repeat. HB's should have 100 a piece.

 

[Go Fight Win]

Good with all that, but the physicality officials are allowing makes the DPI called on us that was the slightest of tugs on the jersey that didn’t affect the receiver in any way on an uncatchable pass needs to be explained. I’m good with whatever rule changes are put in effect as long as they are called fairly.

That penalty extended a drive for Bama where they got points.

that my friend was just good ole fashioned "the head ump IS MY ******* NEIGHBOR" alabama home cooking

 

[GVol1966]

Isnt it logical to say that 'the person whose direct responsibility is play calling should, have a game plan to include modifying said play calling if and when it isnt working?'

So, if the answer is yes, as it should be. Then, it isnt a 'jump to conclusions'. Alabama was making adjustments, including the money hitting the refs back accounts.

If your QB cant see the forest for the trees (Callan open running right), then you get on the phone and get in his ass.

Modify it to what??
You got run plays and passing plays , if neither are getting you anything then you’re pretty much out of options.

Are the playcallers perfect? No.
But sometimes players are gonna have to execute something or, well you know we all seen the results

 

[cdr4ut]

Need to stack 3 to 4 classes in row like this.

 

[Adam Sandler]

I hate to say it but I’m fairly certain 2022 was the peak for Josh Heupel and Tennessee and I doubt we ever have a season that matches that.

It’s a shame you start so many player threads because I would love to ignore your negavol arse

 

[Jackcrevol]

Modify it to what??
You got run plays and passing plays , if neither are getting you anything then you’re pretty much out of options.

Are the playcallers perfect? No.
But sometimes players are gonna have to execute something or, well you know we all seen the results

If only there were people who's responsibility it were to seek out, research, sign, and develop said players. Further, to put those players, schematically, in best position to make plays. What if those persons were paid high six and seven figure salaries to do this, hypothetically speaking - of course.

At this point, with the tools this school has and its resources we should play second fiddle to no one. Georgia and Bama have several class leads on us. But no more excuses. If its an execution issue, and its a player issue. This is Y3. Halzle is the QB guy. That's on him. If its a talent issue, they've had plenty of time to find other QB's. Also on him. There has been plenty of time to build OL and DL depth.

Halzle is unimpressive thus far. OL coach is on a short leash. Garner does more with less, but, its time to upgrade our talent there - and we have. But I dont see any help in this class.

At the end of the day, we are 5-2. And admittedly, my take is scathingly hot. But, I've been consistent in that message. I do think before a change is made, we should wait until the EoS.

I think we beat KY, but after UGA and potentially Missouri. Things could get ugly.

 

[GVol1966]

Huepel is not Kirby or Saban. He also implodes at times, like the 4th down giving your opponent a short field and completely turning the momentum. He lacks in game feel and discipline at times. Also seems to not fully grasp how to keep the team motivated.

Whatever was said at halftime yesterday was the difference and he got completely schooled in the second half.

With all this said, there are only 4 or 5 coaches in the game who are better in my mind and he just happens to coach against two of them annually.

This is complete Bull . That’s all . No need to elaborate

 

[Jackcrevol]

Huepel is not Kirby or Saban. He also implodes at times, like the 4th down giving your opponent a short field and completely turning the momentum. He lacks in game feel and discipline at times. Also seems to not fully grasp how to keep the team motivated.

Whatever was said at halftime yesterday was the difference and he got completely schooled in the second half.

With all this said, there are only 4 or 5 coaches in the game who are better in my mind and he just happens to coach against two of them annually.

Huepel is the guy, brutha. Sorry.

This is the best we've been in decades. Hopefully he can help Halzle to be able to adapt more. I recall back in mid 2000's Cut felt like his offense needed some new wrinkles, as though things were changing. So, he went to several NFL camps, and took notes.

All we did was end up back in the SECCG.

I have no idea if this staff does that. I wish them nothing but success. But, Tennessee isnt a program where learning on the fly works.

 

[Adam Sandler]

They are who we thought they were

 

[Adam Sandler]

Delete.

 

[Govolsman98]

That second half collapse was probably the worst since Georgia in 2020. Oddly enough we got outscored 27-0 then too. And doubly odd we played Kentucky the very next week too. Doubt we'll see a repeat of that dreadful performance though

 

[BigSteve09]

Here is our record through the Third Saturday in October in the post-Fulmer era:

2009: 3-4
2010: 2-5
2011: 3-4
2012: 3-4
2013: 4-4
2014: 3-5
2015: 3-4
2016: 5-2
2017: 3-4
2018: 3-4
2019: 2-5
2020: 2-3
2021: 4-4
2022: 6-0
2023: 5-2

You may be bitter, hungover, pissed, whatever

As a Vols fan, you're not as miserable as you've been

 

[Adam Sandler]

How is that allowed to happen