Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Orange_Crush]

Y’all are just begging to be on MBG lol

Cool. Get their readers talking about the officiating last night.

 

[UTK]

Proud of you @UTK !

I’m famous yooooo

 

[knoxvol52]

My thoughts on leaving the SEC:

I had a job where the techs had service vans. When I was a new employee, we used to meet at lunch and shoot pool (9 ball and the winner stayed up). We were all competitive but 1 guy was over the top. If I beat him, he'd rack the balls loose or turn the rack slightly, prior to my break. I didn't catch him at 1st but I saw him do it to another guy. That's when I started paying attention. He couldn't win straight up so he'd cheat a little. It got to a point that it wasn't any fun for me and fighting with him just made everything worse.

We're there as a football team. Josh Heupel has seen enough and it's eating at him. I understand him, If you're going to get cheated, why stay? I would absolutely support a move away from the SEC. I hope the other schools' ADs/presidents will do something before it gets to that point. It's really not fair and it's ruined the conference. The spirit and sportsmanship of college football has been traded for money.

The guy spun the 8 ball in the rack didn't he??...Old trick to loosen the rack before bust..

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Not sure about interesting-- but not surprising. UT sends a communication to the SEC after every game. Interns prepare a compilation report-- all SEC schools do it, and all have grievances. It’s referenced on weekly conference calls and private calls, as well. This is SOP. It goes nowhere. No one thinks it will. To escalate, UT would have to comment publicly and challenge the SEC to address the issue and act decisively to bring about productive change. The only palatable way to do this is to secure support from other programs and make it about something like player safety. Refs allowing players to kick, horsecollar, choke and intentionally hold opposing players as a strategy, betting it won’t be called, risks injury.

Big Money is at stake, and the support isn’t there. Sankey wants at least one SEC team in the playoffs. UGA and Bama have looked wobbly and need propping up. No one considers UT a legit playoff team this year. A team that has to go through UGA and Bama every year to even get to the SECCG is a team that has to put itself in a position to overcome the odds.

UT knew the Vols could not expect a fair whistle in Tuscaloosa. The coaches knew they would have to be unstoppable to beat Bama in front of their home crowd. The players knew they would need to keep their composure, be mentally tough and not back down. I think CJH knew how he was going to respond in the presser and had backing to send the message he sent. He opened the door for the media to run with it.

Many think college sports is broken. But it’s running how those steering it intend it to go.

Not that I would ever cheer for another SEC team, but I honestly hope that the SEC misses the playoffs entirely this year. Maybe this conference showing some vulnerability will send a message that this monarchy we live in where the chosen few are propped up needs to change. Doubt it, but missing the playoffs is the only way it happens.

 

[Jackcrevol]

My thoughts on leaving the SEC:

I had a job where the techs had service vans. When I was a new employee, we used to meet at lunch and shoot pool (9 ball and the winner stayed up). We were all competitive but 1 guy was over the top. If I beat him, he'd rack the balls loose or turn the rack slightly, prior to my break. I didn't catch him at 1st but I saw him do it to another guy. That's when I started paying attention. He couldn't win straight up so he'd cheat a little. It got to a point that it wasn't any fun for me and fighting with him just made everything worse.

We're there as a football team. Josh Heupel has seen enough and it's eating at him. I understand him, If you're going to get cheated, why stay? I would absolutely support a move away from the SEC. I hope the other schools' ADs/presidents will do something before it gets to that point. It's really not fair and it's ruined the conference. The spirit and sportsmanship of college football has been traded for money.

cmon man, we aren't moving anywhere. if it's happening here it's everywhere. we just have to focus on talent.

 

[Devo182]

White and Heupel should start calling other SEC schools and saying, "That was blatant. If they're blatantly doing it to us on a national stage, they're doing it to you. Let's all call up the ACC and start talking."

The ACC?!? Lmao.




And if you believe in top talented teams also rigging the reffing, Clemon has won 7 of the last 8 titles in the ACC. So...more rigged?

 

[Orange.]

No one, and I mean no one, who wants to retain an ounce of credibility believes that a team with a terrible pass protecting offensive line, against our front, that has averaged about 75 yards a game in penalties the last two games, legitimately committed only one penalty for 5 yards yesterday.

 

[LA Vol]

How do you do that though? If their intent is to keep you down, there's really not much you can do. Other schools won't join you because they're getting the cash to stay quiet. You're really on an island. You speak publicly and your fined and labeled a poor sport. Media, even though I believe many know how it works, won't say anything due to being cut off. You can't withhold money.

The only way is to start by removing corrupt leaders starting with Skanky and moving down. Don't think that's going to happen either. The SEC offices need to be moved yesterday. That's not happening either.

All this is true. But UT has been significantly handicapped by scheduling and the NCAA investigation. And UT has had a lot of self-inflicted wounds that have made the program vulnerable. Now that the NCAA investigation is over, UT does not have to curry favor or accept things for the good of the conference. TSIO could go away-- and Bama with it. Most of all, UT needs to win. With winning comes power.

UT does have some support. You might be surprised-- or not-- to know which coaches would be our allies.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

This season and last are the first couple times I can say that I’m having fun. I enjoy everything about football now, last 20 years been so miserable, and now I’m seeing people saying Heupel isn’t the one smh

Even at 9-3 we’re probably right back in the orange bowl and I’m ****ing okay with that. Heupel is doing this with two rental QBs that didn’t do much at their previous stops. He hasn’t even gotten all his guys here yet. Imagine what he can do with a full team of his own players.

I don’t know about y’all, but I’m riding with Heupel till I’m no longer have fun.

Butch brought hype, Pruitt brought hope (coaching background), Heupel has given us results

Anyone who is anti-Heupel also probably needs someone to wipe them after they poop.

Like I think they legit have an IQ under 80 and need assistance taking care of themselves because they're so damn dumb.

To add to that, the Vols have a long history of coming up short. 98 was the only season since Neyland's last two title teams in the 50's where we didn't blow it on some level. So we are still pretty much on the same level as we were in the late 60's, early 70's, mid to late 80's, 90's and early 2000's if we finish 9-3 or better.

The key will be whether or not we can get Neyland dominant again, but already Heupel is operating us at about as high a level Majors and Fulmer had us consistently which was really good just not dynasty level dominant. The question is whether or not he can be better than them.

He can start by GOING UNDER CENTER AND SNEAKING THE DAMN BALL

 

[JCP201]

Texas A&M left their conference because of the Texas-centric corruption in their last conference. They know what's coming. I believe they threatened for a minute to leave the SEC when they heard Texas is coming.

I thought ATM were just being babies until last night, when the reality of conference fixing was too plain to ignore anymore.

Seems like we are the casualty of too much money to be made. SEC wants at least one team in the playoffs. With Georgia's soft schedule and other conferences looking better, they are going to cheat to make sure we have an east and west team undefeated in conference in the championship game. Watch as LSU gets screwed by Bama favoring refs when they go off the bye. And Georgia is going to be a world beater against Florida, with help from refs.. I'm watching with interest to see if my predictions come true.

 

[Rishvol]

Think I posted in the game thread and it moves too fast for responses, but does anyone remember when we were near the end zone and ran OOB at the end of H1 and the clock didn't stop? I'm pretty sure it was Alabama's sideline, so that should still stop the clock, right?

Yes but due to corruption they made up the rule that the NFL uses and said his forward momentum was stopped

 

[TN-POSSUM]

cmon man, we aren't moving anywhere. if it's happening here it's everywhere. we just have to focus on talent.

I know but at the same time, why stay? Saban wanted a 7-1 schedule, he doesn't have to play TN or LSU every year, well guess what, he's probably going to get it. He cries and gets rules changed. He gets beat and then the coach that beats him, gets fired within a couple of years. Saban, along with Sankey, has ruined this conference.

 

[LA Vol]

Not that I would ever cheer for another SEC team, but I honestly hope that the SEC misses the playoffs entirely this year. Maybe this conference showing some vulnerability will send a message that this monarchy we live in where the chosen few are propped up needs to change. Doubt it, but missing the playoffs is the only way it happens.

Be unstoppable, make Neyland the fortress of all fortresses and find a way to beat UGA. And root hard for the PAC-0. Bama 2023 isn't really a playoff team.

 

[Revived2002]

Compared to 2022:

We gained 163 fewer yards

Alabama gained 211 fewer yards

(+38 net yards improvement for us YoY)



Vs 2021: Alabama gained 215 fewer yards

We gained 57 more yards this year

(+272 improvement for us over 2021 - Heupel's first season)



Vs 2020: Alabama gained 229 fewer yards

We gained 102 more yards vs 2020

(+331 yard improvement over 2020 - Pruitt's last season)



This is only the 2nd time we've ever outgained Saban at Bama. 2009 was the other...a 2 pt loss. And, yes, obviously yards aren't what determines the winner, but it's clearly the best correlation to final scores that exist. There's still situational football, key plays, turnovers, and penalties. But gain more yards and wins will follow. This is a GREAT trajectory we're on.

You are hitting on something I’ve been thinking. Every year Heupel has been at Tennessee, we’ve been within one score of Bama headed into the fourth quarter. That probably hasn’t happened three years in a row in 20+ years.

If you are unimpressed, just recall what the first three years in each of the Butch, Dooley and Pruitt seasons were like. And recall Heupel inherited a worse situation than any of them.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Yall talking crap crack me up.

The whole point about Kirby making it in year 2 is that he was doing what he was supposed to be with the roster he was given. He had been to Atlanta and was a QB change away from winning it all. There was reason for UGA to believe in him.

The only thing Heup has done is choked in every chance he's had to make Atlanta or the playoffs.

You’re one of the most miserable TN fans I know. We’ve had one realistic chance to make the playoffs, and sure we choked, but this team this year is not a playoff team so you’re just looking for something to crack on Heupel.

There is plenty of things about yesterday to respectfully critique, but that’s not what you do. You spend all your time on this board trashing Heupel and Barnes. And I bet if I looked hard enough I probably would be able to find posts of you trashing Tony V as well. I’m not even sure what part of this university you ACTUALLY support. Why do you even bother posting if this university is so terrible at everything in your opinion?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

All this is true. But UT has been significantly handicapped by scheduling and the NCAA investigation. And UT has had a lot of self-inflicted wounds that have made the program vulnerable. Now that the NCAA investigation is over, UT does not have to curry favor or accept things for the good of the conference. TSIO could go away-- and Bama with it. Most of all, UT needs to win. With winning comes power.

UT does have some support. You might be surprised-- or not-- to know which coaches would be our allies.

Beamer, Stoops, Smart, Saban, Beamer.

Those are the only ones that I would think would have a reason to dog us.
The rest I feel like we would have a ifnyou scratch my back, I'll scratch yours kind of relationship.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

You’re one of the most miserable TN fans I know. We’ve had one realistic chance to make the playoffs, and sure we choked, but this team this year is not a playoff team so you’re just looking for something to crack on Heupel.

There is plenty of things about yesterday to respectfully critique, but that’s not what you do. You spend all your time on this board trashing Heupel and Barnes. And I bet if I looked hard enough I probably would be able to find posts of you trashing Tony V as well. I’m not even sure what part of this university you ACTUALLY support. Why do you even bother posting if this university is so terrible at everything in your opinion?

If you haven't figured it out I'm an eternal pessimist.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

The guy spun the 8 ball in the rack didn't he??...Old trick to loosen the rack before bust..

Whatever he had to do to win. Calling him out, made me a "boat rocker" and "hard to get along with". Sound familiar?

 

[Devo182]

Not that I would ever cheer for another SEC team, but I honestly hope that the SEC misses the playoffs entirely this year. Maybe this conference showing some vulnerability will send a message that this monarchy we live in where the chosen few are propped up needs to change. Doubt it, but missing the playoffs is the only way it happens.

Doubt that would ever happen. Not because we have the #1 and #2 most talented teams in the country. Not because we have 4 of the top 7.

It's because this league rigs it for the most talented teams to win as well. Just like OSU and Michigan get help in the B1G. And Clemson in the ACC. And OU got it for 15 years until they snubbed the Big 12. They're all getting a huge advantage imo.

There's no way these teams should be winning their leagues so often. The gap isn't that big. Their average commit is 5-7 points above the league median. If your average recruit is a 93 and your opponents' are 87s, that should be enough to overcome here and there. Similar to 87s (like a UK, Mizzou?) playing in a league of 81 averages, such as the best FCS schools. The field of 81s should win more often (combined).

 

[TheMookieMonster]

That’s over, but UT remains an out of favor program. The conference has been displeased with UT in multiple sports and has made an example out of UT numerous times.

What exactly is there to be displeased about with us in basketball or baseball? Don’t get it. We should be a favored program in both of those sports with how well we’ve performed.

 

[Ashevolle]

TSIO can end for all I care. Good riddance I say.

 

[Devo182]

If you haven't figured it out I'm an eternal pessimist.

Well, you're optimistic about the length of time.

I'm not even sure about eternity

 

[gainesvol82]

This season and last are the first couple times I can say that I’m having fun. I enjoy everything about football now, last 20 years been so miserable, and now I’m seeing people saying Heupel isn’t the one smh

Even at 9-3 we’re probably right back in the orange bowl and I’m ****ing okay with that. Heupel is doing this with two rental QBs that didn’t do much at their previous stops. He hasn’t even gotten all his guys here yet. Imagine what he can do with a full team of his own players.

I don’t know about y’all, but I’m riding with Heupel till I’m no longer have fun.

Butch brought hype, Pruitt brought hope (coaching background), Heupel has given us results

Amen brother. Same for me. I have my true passion for UT football back after years of apathy mixed with still caring deep down. The bad seasons still hurt and so did being apathetic about a cornerstone of my life since a small child in the 80's. I went to every home game and some away with my grandfather who was basically my dad. UT football is more than just my favorite sports team and game...I am highly invested even when I wish I wasn't.

Heupel has me loving it again. I get mostly happy and occasionally disappointed with his team's performances. I am consistently pissed about incompetent or horribly one-sided officiating against us again (happened since his first year in the PITT game and then against Ole Miss soon after). But even the losses have been fun games except SC (and maybe UGA) last year and UF this year.

Heupel is our guy and will have a team of his players soon, with some of his upperclassmen and talented young guys. We need some portal and plug-and-play help at OL next year but we will be elite on both sides of the ball soon. SEC and everyone else better watch out if Nico or Merklinger are good to great QB's. Fun times ahead and here now if you enjoy the process of the program building.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

What exactly is there to be displeased about with us in basketball or baseball? Don’t get it. We should be a favored program in both of those sports with how well we’ve performed.

The 2021 baseball team.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

If you haven't figured it out I'm an eternal pessimist.

Sounds like an absolutely miserable way to live your life.