Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Ten_Titans]

Im gonna pull back the curtain and share the biggest secret in sports with you guys. Im surprised I've not seen this talked about more but Vegas controls sports. Not influences, controls!!! Always follow the money and what makes sense.
There's one main reason why we seem to get bent over more than any other team. Tennessee is a liability to Vegas. When we are good and rolling, the backing behind Tennessee is massive. Tennessee winning= losses for Vegas

It's pretty damn ****** of Vegas to control the games AND hit me with - 110 vig.

It's also kind of curious how they always aim for a 50/50 split against the spread. Feels like a waste when they already know the outcome.

Or... Or... Vegas has no problem making money hand over fist without controlling the games and has no interest maintaining a conspiracy that involves thousands of independent actors.

Nah, that can't be it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

So, now we learn that the "fair catch" signal was made by Telander, in the front line of the kickoff return team. By pointing up? Isn't the spirit of the rule supposed to be to discourage the use of trickery to deceive the coverage team into slowing down because they think you are not going to return it? It what freaking world would that motion by Telander be interpreted in any shape, form or fashion to be an attempt to deceive the coverage team? I will tell you in what world. In a world where Bama Jeremy imposes his will on the outcome of a game. I have thought for years it was just incompetence. I am done with that idiocy.

And still...the doubters here mock us.

You have to be a blind stupid fool at this point to not see the corruption...the doubters ask "why"....the motive is pretty freaking obvious, but it is also absolutely f'n irrelevant...I don't give a "why"....the "why" doesn't matter to me at all anymore..several different good theorys are posited here over and over again as to "why" the obvious screwing of Tennessee happens..

All I know is that it IS truth and I am sick of it.

 

[TheRain]

Not to start this crap again, but wth does the mask serve? The oak will still be ok, not sure it will make a difference.

She's not wearing gloves... It's probably protocol.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because they know KY will never be a threat. The more they hurt Tennessee the more it benefits their established hierarchy.

Tennessee loses against the likes of Mizzou and KY, it keeps them in the slurry of everyone else in the SECE. Recruiting is affected as well. They despise a powerful Tennessee.

We are going 7-5...they will not let us win at UK and Mizzou. I absolutely believe they set out to destroy our momentum this year.

We are not going to be allowed to rise back up to elite status.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Crazy thing is it will crush human playcallers (with some inputting of prior play assistance at first) within a few years (plus or minus depending on how much developmental push there is in NFL offices and how it bleeds down).

Chess....poker....the money is there for this to be next in some capacity. I'm expecting the Solver route to keep things legal, as in poker or chess.

That said playcallers should've been treating playcalling more like poker years ago and training 24/7. Never have afaik. Still old school like old school poker players that got washed away with the new wave of Solver-backed players.

You worship that

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Good one!...

 

[volbeast33]

 

[Christian Lowe]

Those games are on the road at difficult spots… Kentucky after the Alabama game, and they had a bye, and Missouri before the Georgia game. I would feel much better if we were at home, but so far being in a true road environment hasn’t been a good recipe for us. However, I will admit that the road environments of Kentucky and Missouri aren’t quite like the last couple we’ve been at.

UK under stoops are abysmal after bye weeks

 

[Jimmy Football]

And still...the doubters here mock us.

You have to be a blind stupid fool at this point to not see the corruption...the doubters ask "why"....the motive is pretty freaking obvious, but it is also absolutely f'n irrelevant...I don't give a "why"....the "why" doesn't matter to me at all anymore..several different good theorys are posited here over and over again as to "why" the obvious screwing of Tennessee happens..

All I know is that it IS truth and I am sick of it.

It is irrelevant. Exactly right.

Even if you don’t believe there’s any direct corruption involved, that it’s just extreme incompetence, that doesn’t suddenly make it excusable. And honestly, if the conference is happy to continue to employ incompetent crews and make no investment or effort to improve such a crucial aspect of the competitive integrity of the sport, well that’s just a different form of corruption.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

We are going 7-5...they will not let us win at UK and Mizzou. I absolutely believe they set out to destroy our momentum this year.

We are not going to be allowed to rise back up to elite status.

Lol, you keep doing you McGill and please don’t ever change .

 

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[Orange.]

Hey @jave36, please help with something. Who are the SEC officials speaking and listening to on their headsets? Each other? Or the replay booth / conference office? Or both?

 

[screenthis]

It is irrelevant. Exactly right.

Even if you don’t believe there’s any direct corruption involved, that it’s just extreme incompetence, that doesn’t suddenly make it excusable. And honestly, if the conference is happy to continue to employ incompetent crews and make no investment or effort to improve such a crucial aspect of the competitive integrity of the sport, well that’s just a different form of corruption.

It does make me wonder if there's ever review by the SEC office. Wouldn't the fact that they only called one penalty on Al. create some questions?

 

[TheRain]

 

[vols 30]

We are going 7-5...they will not let us win at UK and Mizzou. I absolutely believe they set out to destroy our momentum this year.

We are not going to be allowed to rise back up to elite status.

If it's close enough games that the ref can determine the outcome then we got bigger problems. We should win by 10+ both games

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[Vol423]

If it's close enough games that the ref can determine the outcome then we got bigger problems. We should win by 10+ both games

Be ready to identify the bigger problems. You can start with Milton.

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Hey @jave36, please help with something. Who are the SEC officials speaking and listening to on their headsets? Each other? Or the replay booth / conference office? Or both?

Those headsets is where they receive the commands from the powers that be. There are probably extra eyes to help spot those miniscule penalties like the fair catch, and DB holding against GJL.

 

[SoilVol]

Not sure about interesting-- but not surprising. UT sends a communication to the SEC after every game. Interns prepare a compilation report-- all SEC schools do it, and all have grievances. It’s referenced on weekly conference calls and private calls, as well. This is SOP. It goes nowhere. No one thinks it will. To escalate, UT would have to comment publicly and challenge the SEC to address the issue and act decisively to bring about productive change. The only palatable way to do this is to secure support from other programs and make it about something like player safety. Refs allowing players to kick, horsecollar, choke and intentionally hold opposing players as a strategy, betting it won’t be called, risks injury.

Big Money is at stake, and the support isn’t there. Sankey wants at least one SEC team in the playoffs. UGA and Bama have looked wobbly and need propping up. No one considers UT a legit playoff team this year. A team that has to go through UGA and Bama every year to even get to the SECCG is a team that has to put itself in a position to overcome the odds.

UT knew the Vols could not expect a fair whistle in Tuscaloosa. The coaches knew they would have to be unstoppable to beat Bama in front of their home crowd. The players knew they would need to keep their composure, be mentally tough and not back down. I think CJH knew how he was going to respond in the presser and had backing to send the message he sent. He opened the door for the media to run with it.

Many think college sports is broken. But it’s running how those steering it intend it to go.

It's simple, all the schools agree to start publishing those reports every Monday to the public saying, "Here is our report to the SEC Officiating Office for Saturday's game." If all 14 teams do it, what are they gonna do?

 

[jave36]

Hey @jave36, please help with something. Who are the SEC officials speaking and listening to on their headsets? Each other? Or the replay booth / conference office? Or both?

During replay? To the replay booth on that designated headset.

During the game? Only each other, allegedly. Mike Pereira went ballistic on some officials a couple years ago because they seemed to be communicating with someone not on the field during the game. He said they were talking to the replay booth when they weren't supposed to.

The headsets they wear are basically two way radios, not cell phones. No way for them to (directly) communicate with anyone outside the stadium.

 

[jave36]

It's simple, all the schools agree to start publishing those reports every Monday to the public saying, "Here is our report to the SEC Officiating Office for Saturday's game." If all 14 teams do it, what are they gonna do?

I'd love for schools to "accidentally" use their university email address so we could FOIA

 

[Jackcrevol]

Just went back to make myself feel better.

In 24 we roll SC AND Misery off the schedule. For better or worse, I am SO glad to see that.

 

[Orange.]

It is irrelevant. Exactly right.

Even if you don’t believe there’s any direct corruption involved, that it’s just extreme incompetence, that doesn’t suddenly make it excusable. And honestly, if the conference is happy to continue to employ incompetent crews and make no investment or effort to improve such a crucial aspect of the competitive integrity of the sport, well that’s just a different form of corruption.

I think you misunderstand @Ulysees E. McGill's post. He says that all the evidence (the actual calls and no-calls, over long periods of time -- and in this particular game in spades -- and the lack of their opposite to any meaningful extent at all -- rules out as impossible that it is mere incompetence, which would even out. Nothing has ever evened out. Therefore, he says, incompetence is excluded as a reasonable account.

His point in the post is that one does not require certain of proof of the precise backstory in order to read the pattern of extremely one-sided facts for what it tells. The fact of the matter is that Tennessee gets screwed repeatedly. (And I will add that Saturday was the most biased, rigging officiating I have ever witnessed.)

Regardless of whatever account one gives, McGill is saying, as to how that flagrant inequality comes to be (ill will toward Tennessee, Tennessee as a threat to frontrunners, a design to advance other teams to the championship game to maximize profit, or whatever one hypothesizes as the root of the pattern of facts, or even if one doesn't state the root cause at all), the facts themselves demonstrate that we are targeted by one-sided officiating.

This appears to me to be a response to people who repeatedly ask about details of what is happening behind the scenes, as if that disproves the obvious story that the facts themselves tell. It is a diversion, with no possibility of ever becoming a refutation of the pattern of manifest facts, which are available to any careful viewer. It wants to change the subject from the plain facts to a hypothetical backstory it can doubt or ask endless questions about.