Recruiting Football Talk VII

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Jackcrevol said:
if someone asked me to prove that there was no galvanized effort to undermine unpopular teams like Tennessee. I would say that there would be more evidence to support there is, than there isnt. Evidence is circumstantial, but is substantial.
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You couldn’t prove it. You can only give opinions.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Because they know KY will never be a threat. The more they hurt Tennessee the more it benefits their established hierarchy.

Tennessee loses against the likes of Mizzou and KY, it keeps them in the slurry of everyone else in the SECE. Recruiting is affected as well. They despise a powerful Tennessee.
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So...basically every team below us they'll let us screw over? 😅🤣 Sign me up! 🤭

Now go look at the actual penalties. We've been penalized more often than UK going back 7+ years.


Maybe because Stoops plays like he's walking through mud. And yeah we're a little gung ho. He's conservative and probably believes some Butchism such as "the team that gets penalized the least wins 51.1% of the time, so we build our identity around it!" 😅
 
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volbeast33 said:
why does Sankey care about the established hierarchy besides what can benefit the league financially?
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Which would tell you he would've been 100% for us last year as we were far and away the most likely #2 team to make the playoffs.

Same as this year.

The easiest way to get multiple teams in is to have an undefeated team in division X and let a 1-loss #2 from the same division sneak in.

The theory holds no water.
 
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drvenner said:
So, now we learn that the "fair catch" signal was made by Telander, in the front line of the kickoff return team. By pointing up? Isn't the spirit of the rule supposed to be to discourage the use of trickery to deceive the coverage team into slowing down because they think you are not going to return it? It what freaking world would that motion by Telander be interpreted in any shape, form or fashion to be an attempt to deceive the coverage team? I will tell you in what world. In a world where Bama Jeremy imposes his will on the outcome of a game. I have thought for years it was just incompetence. I am done with that idiocy.
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He was sent as a plant to completely destroy our program, wasn’t he? I wouldn’t put anything past that slimeball university.
 
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Volnut said:


Arky fan wants to use AI as new OC 🤭
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Crazy thing is it will crush human playcallers (with some inputting of prior play assistance at first) within a few years (plus or minus depending on how much developmental push there is in NFL offices and how it bleeds down).

Chess....poker....the money is there for this to be next in some capacity. I'm expecting the Solver route to keep things legal, as in poker or chess.

That said playcallers should've been treating playcalling more like poker years ago and training 24/7. Never have afaik. Still old school like old school poker players that got washed away with the new wave of Solver-backed players.
 
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Devo182 said:
Which would tell you he would've been 100% for us last year as we were far and away the most likely #2 team to make the playoffs.

Same as this year.

The easiest way to get multiple teams in is to have an undefeated team in division X and let a 1-loss #2 from the same division sneak in.

The theory holds no water.
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No, if Bama beats UGA in the conference championship, there will be a lot of lobbying for both. There is no doubt that they would love to tee that up.
 
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VolNash17 said:
View attachment 589937Well this isn’t good.
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It sucks, one of the last humps we have to get over; but, those losses were in Athens, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa...and, say what you want, Columbia is no easy place to play. Four of the toughest places to play in the entire country...two of the teams being the two best programs in college football.
 
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VolGee4 said:
No, if Bama beats UGA in the conference championship, there will be a lot of lobbying for both. There is no doubt that they would love to tee that up.
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You're still comparing 2 one-loss teams vs:

1 1-loss team and 1 undefeated team. That's a shoe-in and a far easier option to execute.

Also a lot more work, you have to fix the most watched game all season - the SECCG...
 
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Jack Burton said:
Yeah but Tennessee still has to play Georgia and UGA would be the protected team in that game. So it benefits the league to protect Alabama last Saturday. It’s not like it really mattered. Even with the bad calls Alabama adjusted and dominated us in the second half while we collapsed. There was bad officiating but we also just got beat.
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I dispute this.

[TLDR: Everyone who cannot easily and profitably read and comprehend a "long" post, run along while the adults talk. Jack is a smart guy who knows how to read. He even reads entire books.]

The primary "adjustment" was for Bama to hold every down because we were dominating in the first half. That is crookedness and it presupposes that Birmingham's crew would permit them to cheat with impunity. [note**]

One needs to look at the individual plays because one does not yet know that the domination was not almost entirely by the officials before one investigates the matter.

For example, that striking photo of the Bama blocker putting Baron in a violent chokehold from behind -- a danger to player safety -- was because TB had rounded the edge and was going to get the sack. That occurred on Bama's first TD of the second half. The extreme no-call turned a -10 play and possibly a fumble into a rigged Bama TD. 7 points.

Look at the ticky-tack holding called on Jeudy-Lally on a play where after that quick instant, Bama's WR ran his route unimpeded, beating JL to the outside; but the pass was absolutely uncatchable, it was so far out of bounds. That terrible call overturned Bama's necessity to punt. It replaced momentum and a new offensive series (scoring opportunity) for us with another of Bama's TDs iirc. That was a huge event.

Well, maybe Birmingham's crew was just calling a tight game with respect to defensive holding in the secondary (while ignoring Bama's continual holding on the OL), an apologist might suggest. Good point. To know we would need to compare that ticky-tacky call to Bama's previous mugging of our WR (a much more extreme foul and that involved a pass that was catchable) and that stood a flagrant no-call.

This practice was already underway in the first quarter, once we look at the plays. On our second drive, the Bama defender very obviously held our WR in the endzone. This is the kind of thing that some people simply dismissed as an overthrow (which was an illusion created by the uncalled holding). The pass was on the money, Bama held our reciever, and what would have been an automatic first down half nearly at the goal line (if the flagrant foul were called) was turned into a fourth and (8, I believe it was) and a FG. 4 points.

The official was looking directly at Burton who violently kicked a defender after Bama's sole the first half TD: one of the most obvious personal fouls one will see. And yet Birmingham's crew let it go, while looking straight at it. That was not ticky tacky. It endangered player safety in itself, and might well have set off a brawl, a gross endangerment of player safety. That no-call resulted in a huge change in field position: Bama would have had to kick to us from their 20 yard line, and the likelihood of a big runback in that situation is high, in addition.

How can an official consider a personal foul that everyone in the world saw, including the official looking at it, to be ticky tacky; yet decide that the bizarre, obscure "fair catch" call needed urgent attention? Even the people who defend it on technical grounds concede that was ticky tackky.

Anyway, one primary thing is to look at Bama's every OL hold, and calculate the effect of each, based on the difference between -10 and the play result. Rigged officiating to that extreme extend, it appears likely, was a result of our defense being completely uncontrollable by Bama, except by illegal means. In that context, terms like "adjusted" and "dominated" need to be put on ice until one has accessed the true impact of the rigged officiating.
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**As it happens, the officials did the same thing in Bama's game the previous week. After Bama gave up a bevy of sacks in the first half, the officials made the "halftime adjustment" to allow Bama endless holding no-calls, and Bama gave up zero second half sacks, as a result; and Bama's QB had some game-changing throws as a direct result. Sound familiar? But the holding calls in our game were much more spectacular and extreme because our DL is so much better than TAMU's.
 
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Devo182 said:
So...basically every team below us they'll let us screw over? 😅🤣 Sign me up! 🤭

Now go look at the actual penalties. We've been penalized more often than UK going back 7+ years.


Maybe because Stoops plays like he's walking through mud. And yeah we're a little gung ho. He's conservative and probably believes some Butchism such as "the team that gets penalized the least wins 51.1% of the time, so we build our identity around it!" 😅
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I cannot believe that after that screwing we got Saturday that people still believe that it's on the up and up.

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Devo182 said:
You're still comparing 2 one-loss teams vs:

1 1-loss team and 1 undefeated team. That's a shoe-in and a far easier option to execute.

Also a lot more work, you have to fix the most watched game all season - the SECCG...
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There can’t be a one loss team in the West because LSU lost to FSU, and Ole Miss has to play UGA.

All I know is what I saw on Saturday wasn’t just missed calls. We know the officials saw what everyone else saw. Just a conscious decision not to call them. The conference is a business, and they obviously want to maximize the ability to make more.

Edit: let’s talk about the 2004 SECCG when Auburn was undefeated, and we were running down their throats. Random holding calls started popping up. Weird.
 
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