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How many football games have you officiated? If none you should come join the ranks since you know more than everyone else. We have a shortage going on.
I watched the replay. Several times.
Left hand grabbing the middle of the back, right hand on the right shoulder.
Ball carrier was spun 180* and then forcefully pulled/slung backwards.

I don’t have to ever have reffed to be able to see what happened or know what the rule says.

I also know those that do officiating get it WRONG sometimes.

This is one of them times.
 
According to the rule, any type of tackle in the side or back area of the collar is a penalty. Doesn’t say which way you tackle them. If player safety is what it’s about, then a penalty should have been thrown for Jayden Daniels getting thrown like a rag doll from the horse collar area.

Again, I’m absolutely beside myself I’m seeing so many good posters defending Gumps. Y’all oughta be ashamed.
Yes, that is the rule and everything that anyone has said otherwise is incorrect.
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It was a horse collar tackle. It was actually a fairly textbook example with the difference being that Daniels' athleticism in not going down immediately and the speed and momentum of both players carried them both forward and then 90 degrees to their right as the tackle was being made, and finally sent Daniels rolling toward the endzone.

This is NOT to say that he was "slung" down horizontally or sideways. He was pulled abruptly straight backwards to his back on the ground by the nameplate area of his jersey. It happened like this.

The Bama tackler grabbed Daniels with both hands by the nameplate area of the jersey (condition 1 of 2) and pulled abruptly (condition 2 of 2). As the result of Daniels' strength, speed, and momentum, this did not immediately pull him to the ground but jerked him around and they both spun such that they were facing the sideline as opposed to the goal line. The Bama tackler now pulled forcefully again (or in continuation) pulling Daniels by the nameplate area directly backward -- exactly in the manner of the "classic" horse collar -- taking Daniels all the way to the ground. Full stop.

The second tackler momentarily interrupted the abrupt backward fall (together with their momentum) but Daniels hit the ground from the horse collar landing on his back. The people who wish to see Daniels pulled by the designated area abruptly to his back can see it right there.

But again momentum sent Daniels rolling toward the goal line, after he had been pulled flat onto his back and his athleticism, along with a friendly teammate's tug set him upright. One shouldn't be distracted from the essentials by this conclusion.

This is all easy to see at slow speed or simply by toggling the play and pause button on the clip in the tweet. There is no reason the replay booth and the network both should have missed this since they both have the ability to slow and pause and replay until all is clear. I could do it on an iphone. 😂

I made some stills but I am tired. Look at it for yourself and I think you'll see. iirc the moment where you can pause when they are sideways to see to classic horse-collar abrupt backwards pull of Daniels to flat on his back is at 2 seconds on the tweet.
 
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That’s not the rule. That’s just a classic example of one.
Yes.

Btw, the NFL is said to be looking at banning tackling by dropping one's weight. They say it leads to 20 times as many injuries as other tackles. That's also, btw, how Dallas Turner deliberately injured Ewers last season, contriving his weight drop such that his full body weight landed on Ewer's shoulder with great force.
 
Btw, if you look at the article that explained the new rule in 2017, in the gif they used to depict it, guess what? He is slung forward. And doesn't land on his back. None of that is in the rule.

Sorry gif too large to post. See it here. Scroll down to second example (gif).
 
Yes, that is the rule and everything that anyone has said otherwise is incorrect.
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It was a horse collar tackle. It was actually a fairly textbook example with the difference being that Daniels' athleticism in not going down immediately and the speed and momentum of both players carried them both forward and then 90 degrees to their right as the tackle was being made, and finally sent Daniels rolling toward the endzone.

This is NOT to say that he was "slung" down horizontally or sideways. He was pulled abruptly straight backwards to his back on the ground by the nameplate area of his jersey. It happened like this.

The Bama tackler grabbed Daniels with both hands by the nameplate area of the jersey (condition 1 of 2) and pulled abruptly (condition 2 of 2). As the result of Daniels' strength, speed, and momentum, this did not immediately pull him to the ground but jerked him around and they both spun such that they were facing the sideline as opposed to the goal line. The Bama tackler now pulled forcefully again (or in continuation) pulling Daniels by the nameplate area directly backward -- exactly in the manner of the "classic" horse collar -- taking Daniels all the way to the ground. Full stop.

The second tackler momentarily interrupted the abrupt backward fall (together with their momentum) but Daniels hit the ground from the horse collar landing on his back. The people who wish to see Daniels pulled by the designated area abruptly to his back can see it right there.

But again momentum sent Daniels rolling toward the goal line, after he had been pulled flat onto his back and his athleticism, along with a friendly teammate's tug set him upright. One shouldn't be distracted from the essentials by this conclusion.

This is all easy to see at slow speed or simply by toggling the play and pause button on the clip in the tweet. There is no reason the replay booth and the network both should have missed this since they both have the ability to slow and pause and replay until all is clear. I could do it on an iphone. 😂

I made some stills but I am tired. Look at it for yourself and I think you'll see. iirc the moment where you can pause when they are sideways to see to classic horse-collar abrupt backwards pull of Daniels to flat on his back is at 2 seconds on the tweet.
the bolded part is correct, imo
also the angle Amos took and the position of the official down there
did some screencaps of what you're talking about
the old rule said had to be pulled down backward or sideways but not now
it was a missed call, but that official was badly out of position....I'd say he thought Amos grabbed the outside part of the shoulder pads, which we can tell from this is not the case

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I was curious about some stats around our performances home vs away while Heupel has been here and so I crunched some numbers first on defensive performance. I simply averaged out every teams points allowed while at home and on the road and then looked at the two to see a change in performance over the last 2 and a half seasons. I excluded any neutral site games.

The last column, Performance Change, is the percentage change in PPG that they average on the road, vs what they do at home. The lower the percentage, the more consistent your defense whether home or away. This is not an indictment on whether or not your defense is good. Look at Ole Miss for example, they have the 2nd best consistency on their defense, but they rank 8th in the SEC in PPG at home. Their defense performs ~11% worse on the road.. so not a huge difference whether home or away. Surprisingly, Vanderbilt and Miss State actually perform better on the road. Or maybe not surprisingly when you figure Vandy averages 15 fans a game and Miss State players probably hate cowbells.

For us, there is a larger difference. We are 8th. When we are on the road the defense performs ~64% worse then it does when we are at home. We are 5th in the SEC over this time period in defensive PPG while at home. We are 9th in the SEC over this time period in defensive PPG on the road. Tomorrow, if I have time, I'm going to look at this same thing but for offense.

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Welp, leading scorer for Michigan basketball tonight? Olivie Noakamua (sp).
Good for him. He's not a bad player, he just lacks consistency. Some games he's a beast. Then some games he's not so great. Maybe the Michigan staff will get some consistency out of him?
 
We're a little over a month out from the early signing period. It Starts on December 20th. The transfer portal window for football opens on December 4th and closes on January 2nd. The NCAA has shortened the window, but it still doesn't apply to grad transfers who can enter at any time. The Spring transfer window will be April 16th thru April 30th.

 
Funny during the CFP..... show not one of the guys thought Michigan should be punished on the field...only a big ass fine for Harbaugh and the University.....unreal if it was Tennessee they would want to give the death Penalty....not unexpected from 2 Alabama alum...1LSU guy ..and 2 Buckeyes...
They are all whores...they say what they are told to say....and it works.
 
IMG_4905.pngInteresting movement overnight. %money has tipped in Mizzou’s favor, yet the spread has stayed the same, and the morning line favors us more. Hmm, Vegas wanting money to come in on Mizzou it seems. Makes me think they know Burden will be out or very limited, and/or we get a favorable whistle (believe this when I see it).
 
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How’s this not immediate? And he was thrown backward. Into another player. And what’s worse, allowing this to go unpenalized gave liberty to the later hit that knocked Daniels out of the game.
If you want to make matters worse, #3 came in from the side and launched at Daniels. Luckily for Daniels, he missed. Sure looks like from a multitude of plays that Saban had given the order to knock Daniels out of the game. That’s what eventually happened (and was allowed to by the refs), and the game was over at that point.
 
I was curious about some stats around our performances home vs away while Heupel has been here and so I crunched some numbers first on defensive performance. I simply averaged out every teams points allowed while at home and on the road and then looked at the two to see a change in performance over the last 2 and a half seasons. I excluded any neutral site games.

The last column, Performance Change, is the difference in PPG that they average on the road, vs what they do at home. The lower the percentage, the more consistent your defense whether home or away. This is not an indictment on whether or not your defense is good. Look at Ole Miss for example, they have the 2nd best consistency on their defense, but they rank 8th in the SEC in PPG at home. Their defense performs ~10% worse on the road.. so not a huge difference whether home or away. Surprisingly, Vanderbilt and Miss State actually perform better on the road. Or maybe not surprisingly when you figure Vandy averages 15 fans a game and Miss State players probably hate cowbells.

For us, there is a larger difference. We are 8th. When we are on the road the defense performs ~39% worse then it does when we are at home. We are 5th in the SEC over this time period in defensive PPG while at home. We are 9th in the SEC over this time period in defensive PPG on the road. Tomorrow, if I have time, I'm going to look at this same thing but for offense.

Edit: posted the wrong chart when I was at my computer and just realized it. I’m not at my computer now. 🤦🏻‍♂️ I’ll respond to this post tomorrow with the chart.
Tells me that when we are on the road, Banks goes into a shell and gets too conservative with his game plan. This is when we see the soft zone plan the most. Can you somehow get these numbers to him to show him that he needs to be aggressive on the road, too? Lol!
 
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