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The offense is working as well as it ever has –

I’ve rewatched the film from last week and rewatched portions multiple times. I think it’s obvious that the offense is working just fine and at least as well as it did last year. The offense is designed to produce opportunities for our playmakers. In the passing game which seems to be of concern to many the plays have been there, really in both of our games so far this year. The problem is that our guys have not been making a lot of those plays. Are they capable of making those plays? Eminently capable. jmo.

LAVol posted that the coaches weren’t trying to be vanilla last week and I agree it didn’t start out that way but Pat Ryan, Jeff Francis, and Erik Ainge all noted that with the early struggles in the passing game the staff significantly dialed back on the aggressiveness. I think it was the writers at 247 that pointed out that almost half of Joe’s passes to this point in the season have been behind the LOS.

LAVol also said that the game Joe wasn’t the same as the practice Joe. Well, especially with the QB, practice is nothing like a game. In a game the QB is live; in practice, not so much. When Hendon Hooker came to Tennessee, before he ever took the field for us, he already had started more games than Joe has under his belt going into this week. Hendon started 15 games for VT, presumably that was all live-action. To date Joe in his college career has started 11 games. Hendon had 11 additional games in 2021 before embarking on a breakout season in 2022. It may also be worth remembering that Hendon lost his starting job at VT in 2020 which is why we were able to get him as a transfer. I think we have to let this play out before jumping to conclusions. jmo.

Saturday night I thought Joe had an outstanding postgame interview with Jayson Swain in the locker room but it seemed like a different Joe when he appeared before the local media. I don’t think he likes those guys. I don’t either so I can understand. I think they’re smug and I don’t know why because I don’t think they know much of anything about football. jmo.

With Swain Joe was pretty critical of the performance on Saturday. For a moment I thought I recognized him from his comments as any number of posters in this thread, maybe a bit less emotional. In the “routine” team meeting that was reported on, it was said that Joe took all the blame for the underperformance of our passing game. I wouldn’t put it all on him and both Pat and Jeff said the same on Monday’s Big Orange Hotline, but I would put most of it on him. I mean he’s the leader. The buck stops there. As the QB at Tennessee he’s not just responsible for himself; he’s responsible for leading the entire offense and consequently he will get outsized credit or blame as the situation at the time warrants. That’s pretty much life for every QB in college football, maybe moreso in the SEC. jmo.

I think we know what we have with Bru McCoy, Ramel Keyton, and Squirrel White. They can play better and have done so in the past. Keyton has had catastrophic moments in both games so far this year. He can’t do that. Neither one of those plays were on Joe and yet both were significant to the perception of our offensive performance in the game. I think that Squirrel White could be better than Jalin Hyatt in this offense. The QBs on the Big Orange hotline said the same after the Virginia game. Coming out of high school Squirrel had a 10.68 100 meter time but the big edge I think Squirrel has is vision and wiggle. He’s really fun to watch with the ball in his hands. jmo.

The big thing Hendon Hooker said he was working on in 2022 was staying quiet in the pocket. Remember that going into 2022 Hendon had already started 26 games in his career. I interpret staying quiet in the pocket as maintaining poise. I think maybe part of Joe’s accuracy issue is he may be rushing his throws by a couple hundred milliseconds. I think he just needs to settle down. I mean he’s demonstrated in the past that he can be accurate, especially downfield. I’m wondering if he’s pressing too hard. That’s the sense that I get. jmo.

Ultimately, I think the obvious key to us getting the production we want from the passing game is Joe and his receivers need to work better together. Right now they’re playing like they hardly know each other and maybe they don’t even like each other all that much. I don’t know but I do think they’re all going to sink or swim together. If they don’t come together and figure out how to succeed together then McCoy, Keyton, and Milton, in particular, are going to continue to see their draft stock plummet faster and steeper than our FPI rating. jmo.

In big games last year we played 13-15 guys on offense and no more so I think barring injury we’ll see less rotation on the OL in the swamp. I don’t know if we trust Thornton yet. Other fans have said he hasn’t lived up to the offseason hype and of course that seems apparent. He’s played 52 snaps so far this year, been targeted 6 times on those snaps, made 2 catches for 12 yards. Keyton is 8 of 11 for 118 yards and 1 TD on 139 snaps. Squirrel is 10 of 14 for 75 yards, no TDs, on 94 snaps, and Bru is 7 of 13 for 72 yards, no TDs, on 124 snaps. Donte may still be trying to learn his blocking assignments. I’m just not sure where he’s at with earning the staff’s trust. It doesn’t look like he’s there yet. jmo.

By all reports Campbell is a stellar teammate. Karic graded out well in the game this past Saturday and Cooper said he’s playing well. Cooper also thought Ollie was doing good. I think if Cooper doesn’t go against Florida, I think Ollie probably gets all the center snaps. According to PFF Mincey has been our highest graded offensive lineman in each of the first two games. He’s had 75 snaps. Crawford has had 91, Karic 116, Ollie 95, Campbell 121, and Spraggins 140. I think those are our 6 and Cooper would be #7. Lampley (32 snaps) and Davis (46 snaps) are emergency use only. jmo.

The offense is working just fine. It’s producing all the usual opportunities for our playmakers to make plays. They will have seen that in their review of the film. I find it very difficult to imagine that they’re not going to be hell-bent on making those plays this week. jmo.

Prediction: Tennessee 77 Florida 3 (Napier kicks a FG on 2nd down from the 34-yard line with 7 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter). Okay, yeah, that’s was trash talk. lol.



I was waiting for you to post about all of this and you did not let me down. I really appreviate you bringing this to the board. This is far better than anything the guys actually making a living covering Vol football contribute.
 
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What are some of you morans biggest superstitions???:D

I have many..........
* Always use the same ball marker
* New dip after every Bogey
I defy everything today as it was the day I was born. 13 is lucky for me.
 
September 13

Defy Superstition Day.

National Defy Superstition Day is celebrated on September 13. The 13th of the month is a significant number, and it’s the day when many people are defying superstitions around the world. The etymology of ‘superstition’ is from the Latin word ‘superstitio,’ which means “to stand over or above.” It describes the belief in or practice of events or processes that are not explained by science or reason.


What are some of you morans biggest superstitions???:D

I have many..........
* Always use the same ball marker
* New dip after every Bogey
having a Glitch game thread
 
I was waiting for you to post about all of this and you did not let me down. I really appreviate you bringing this to the board. This is far better than anything the guys actually making a living covering Vol football contribute.
Agree 100% I enjoy reading his post very well presented and informative ..
 
Their defensive performance should be discounted just as much as ours since they played two back up QB's at Utah and they had a very vanilla gameplan. Utah didn't try anything dynamic at all when they got the lead. Just tried to run the clock out the entire second half.
Exactly. Until we have a larger sample size most of these don't matter too much. Lets look at UF's defense like you mentioned.

Rush Defense and front 7: Utah was one dimensional and playing with a 3rd string QB and 4th string QB. They ran the ball 30 times at only 3.5 YPC. Utah had the most success with the 4th string QB on the QB runs, but if i remember correctly UF was loading the box for the most part. Their front 7 only has 2 sacks on the year, which is tied for 105th in the nation, and neither of those sacks came against Utah. Now, they haven't faced a lot passes though. Their sack rate is 5% at the moment. Ours is 16%. All of their 2 sacks came against an FCS opponent. They only had 4 TFL against Utah, and 6 against McNeese State, and are good for 83rd nationally in TFL. So it's not like their front 7 and rush defense is causing havoc. There are deeper stats that would truly show how good the front 7 is or isn't, but I don't have access to those.

Pass Defense: They have only faced 37 (!) passes on the year. Utah threw the ball 23 times, but only 18 times from their starting 3rd string QB, and 5 from the 4th string running QB. One of those by the way was a 70 yard TD. McNeese only threw the ball 14 times. McNeese only had ran 40 plays total. UF rushed 51 times and basically just milked the clock all game. For transparency, we have faced 65 passes this year, close to double the amount UF has, so us at 46th is probably more accurate then them at 8th, IMO.

So yeah, small sample size, and leaves a lot unknown. Is UF defense good? We honestly have no idea yet.
 
Can’t shake this one concern… We need an alpha on offense to step up. Hendo was that dude. Everyone likes Joe, he’s pretty calm though. Not that you can’t be a calm alpha. But would like to see someone ride up and exhibit a little bit of fire in da swamp. Maybe that’s John Campbell. But need that to be a skill guy. Too many likeable quiet types.
 
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I defy everything today as it was the day I was born. 13 is lucky for me.
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Thanks everyone. I was in full freakout panic mode. Still at the hospital. I took my pocket knife down to bone on my left index finger. Doc hasnt come in for stitches yet though.
Should not have snitched, brah.





You do know I am kidding. Sounds very painful. Hope you have a full and speedy recovery.
 
An update...a thank you...and praise to the good Lord above.

My mom got news this morning that her health looks good, and she's cancer free! This coupled with my granny getting the same news a couple of weeks ago, about her breast cancer. Both gals have beaten cancer...both gals are tough as nails, and true blue troopers.

This last year and a half has been THE ABSOLUTE HARDEST time of my life.
I walked through the door last January, after spending 3 years in Philadelphia, and my mom was diagnosed a couple of weeks later. I was supposed to be home for a month tops, before heading out to start another project, but I never made it. My old life was over...I can't be 1000+ miles away anymore. As David Bowie said, Cha Cha Changes. I'm 45 years old, never been married and no kids...I lived as a gypsy after I graduated high school, on my own terms and no one elses...i came and went as i pleased, as my job showed me the country. To give that up, to take care of two women!!!...it's been hard, it's been exhausting, it's been terrifying, it's been different, in every way...and, it's been an honor.

My gals are healthy, getting healthier. I couldn't be more proud and impressed. Both of them are truly awesome!

Thank you all for the prayers and well wishes!!! I only wish I could put into words what they all meant to me. Thank you...Thank you...Thank you!!!

And, all the praise and glory to my Lord, Jesus. Through Him, all things are truly possible.
 
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Can’t shake this one concern… We need an alpha on offense to step up. Hendo was that dude. Everyone likes Joe, he’s pretty calm though. Maybe that’s John Campbell. But need that to be a skill guy. Too many likeable quiet types.
I would like the alpha to be one of the WR group....maybe Bru McCoy or Wright at RB....but definitely needs to a skill guy....
 
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An update...a thank you...and praise to the good Lord above.

My mom got news this morning that her health looks good, and she's cancer free! This coupled with my granny getting the same news a couple of weeks ago, about her breast cancer. Both gals have beaten cancer...both gals are tough as nails, and true blue troopers. This last year and a half has been THE ABSOLUTE HARDEST time of my life.

I walked through the door last January, after spending 3 years in Philadelphia, and my mom was diagnosed a couple of weeks later. I was supposed to be home for a month tops, before heading out to start another project, but I never made it. My old life was over...I can't be 1000+ miles away anymore. As David Bowie said, Cha Cha Changes. I'm 45 years old, never been married and no kids...I lived as a gypsy after I graduated high school, on my own terms and no one elses...i came and went as i pleased, as my job showed me the country. To give that up, to take care of two women!!!...it's been hard, it's been exhausting, it's been terrifying, it's been different, in every way...and, it's been an honor.

My gals are healthy, getting healthier. I couldn't be more proud and impressed. Both of them are truly awesome!

Thank you all for the prayers and well wishes!!! I only wish I could put into words what they all meant to me. Thank you...Thank you...Thank you!!!

And, all the praise and glory to my Lord, Jesus. Through Him, all things are truly possible.
You, Sir, have made my day, my week, my month, my year!! Fantastic post and fantastic news!! Hells to the yes!!!!!!!
 
The offense is working as well as it ever has –

I’ve rewatched the film from last week and rewatched portions multiple times. I think it’s obvious that the offense is working just fine and at least as well as it did last year. The offense is designed to produce opportunities for our playmakers. In the passing game which seems to be of concern to many the plays have been there, really in both of our games so far this year. The problem is that our guys have not been making a lot of those plays. Are they capable of making those plays? Eminently capable. jmo.

LAVol posted that the coaches weren’t trying to be vanilla last week and I agree it didn’t start out that way but Pat Ryan, Jeff Francis, and Erik Ainge all noted that with the early struggles in the passing game the staff significantly dialed back on the aggressiveness. I think it was the writers at 247 that pointed out that almost half of Joe’s passes to this point in the season have been behind the LOS.

LAVol also said that the game Joe wasn’t the same as the practice Joe. Well, especially with the QB, practice is nothing like a game. In a game the QB is live; in practice, not so much. When Hendon Hooker came to Tennessee, before he ever took the field for us, he already had started more games than Joe has under his belt going into this week. Hendon started 15 games for VT, presumably that was all live-action. To date Joe in his college career has started 11 games. Hendon had 11 additional games in 2021 before embarking on a breakout season in 2022. It may also be worth remembering that Hendon lost his starting job at VT in 2020 which is why we were able to get him as a transfer. I think we have to let this play out before jumping to conclusions. jmo.

Saturday night I thought Joe had an outstanding postgame interview with Jayson Swain in the locker room but it seemed like a different Joe when he appeared before the local media. I don’t think he likes those guys. I don’t either so I can understand. I think they’re smug and I don’t know why because I don’t think they know much of anything about football. jmo.

With Swain Joe was pretty critical of the performance on Saturday. For a moment I thought I recognized him from his comments as any number of posters in this thread, maybe a bit less emotional. In the “routine” team meeting that was reported on, it was said that Joe took all the blame for the underperformance of our passing game. I wouldn’t put it all on him and both Pat and Jeff said the same on Monday’s Big Orange Hotline, but I would put most of it on him. I mean he’s the leader. The buck stops there. As the QB at Tennessee he’s not just responsible for himself; he’s responsible for leading the entire offense and consequently he will get outsized credit or blame as the situation at the time warrants. That’s pretty much life for every QB in college football, maybe moreso in the SEC. jmo.

I think we know what we have with Bru McCoy, Ramel Keyton, and Squirrel White. They can play better and have done so in the past. Keyton has had catastrophic moments in both games so far this year. He can’t do that. Neither one of those plays were on Joe and yet both were significant to the perception of our offensive performance in the game. I think that Squirrel White could be better than Jalin Hyatt in this offense. The QBs on the Big Orange hotline said the same after the Virginia game. Coming out of high school Squirrel had a 10.68 100 meter time but the big edge I think Squirrel has is vision and wiggle. He’s really fun to watch with the ball in his hands. jmo.

The big thing Hendon Hooker said he was working on in 2022 was staying quiet in the pocket. Remember that going into 2022 Hendon had already started 26 games in his career. I interpret staying quiet in the pocket as maintaining poise. I think maybe part of Joe’s accuracy issue is he may be rushing his throws by a couple hundred milliseconds. I think he just needs to settle down. I mean he’s demonstrated in the past that he can be accurate, especially downfield. I’m wondering if he’s pressing too hard. That’s the sense that I get. jmo.

Ultimately, I think the obvious key to us getting the production we want from the passing game is Joe and his receivers need to work better together. Right now they’re playing like they hardly know each other and maybe they don’t even like each other all that much. I don’t know but I do think they’re all going to sink or swim together. If they don’t come together and figure out how to succeed together then McCoy, Keyton, and Milton, in particular, are going to continue to see their draft stock plummet faster and steeper than our FPI rating. jmo.

In big games last year we played 13-15 guys on offense and no more so I think barring injury we’ll see less rotation on the OL in the swamp. I don’t know if we trust Thornton yet. Other fans have said he hasn’t lived up to the offseason hype and of course that seems apparent. He’s played 52 snaps so far this year, been targeted 6 times on those snaps, made 2 catches for 12 yards. Keyton is 8 of 11 for 118 yards and 1 TD on 139 snaps. Squirrel is 10 of 14 for 75 yards, no TDs, on 94 snaps, and Bru is 7 of 13 for 72 yards, no TDs, on 124 snaps. Donte may still be trying to learn his blocking assignments. I’m just not sure where he’s at with earning the staff’s trust. It doesn’t look like he’s there yet. jmo.

By all reports Campbell is a stellar teammate. Karic graded out well in the game this past Saturday and Cooper said he’s playing well. Cooper also thought Ollie was doing good. I think if Cooper doesn’t go against Florida, I think Ollie probably gets all the center snaps. According to PFF Mincey has been our highest graded offensive lineman in each of the first two games. He’s had 75 snaps. Crawford has had 91, Karic 116, Ollie 95, Campbell 121, and Spraggins 140. I think those are our 6 and Cooper would be #7. Lampley (32 snaps) and Davis (46 snaps) are emergency use only. jmo.

The offense is working just fine. It’s producing all the usual opportunities for our playmakers to make plays. They will have seen that in their review of the film. I find it very difficult to imagine that they’re not going to be hell-bent on making those plays this week. jmo.

Prediction: Tennessee 77 Florida 3 (Napier kicks a FG on 2nd down from the 34-yard line with 7 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter). Okay, yeah, that’s was trash talk. lol.


Great stuff as usual 🤌
 
An update...a thank you...and praise to the good Lord above.

My mom got news this morning that her health looks good, and she's cancer free! This coupled with my granny getting the same news a couple of weeks ago, about her breast cancer. Both gals have beaten cancer...both gals are tough as nails, and true blue troopers. This last year and a half has been THE ABSOLUTE HARDEST time of my life.

I walked through the door last January, after spending 3 years in Philadelphia, and my mom was diagnosed a couple of weeks later. I was supposed to be home for a month tops, before heading out to start another project, but I never made it. My old life was over...I can't be 1000+ miles away anymore. As David Bowie said, Cha Cha Changes. I'm 45 years old, never been married and no kids...I lived as a gypsy after I graduated high school, on my own terms and no one elses...i came and went as i pleased, as my job showed me the country. To give that up, to take care of two women!!!...it's been hard, it's been exhausting, it's been terrifying, it's been different, in every way...and, it's been an honor.

My gals are healthy, getting healthier. I couldn't be more proud and impressed. Both of them are truly awesome!

Thank you all for the prayers and well wishes!!! I only wish I could put into words what they all meant to me. Thank you...Thank you...Thank you!!!

And, all the praise and glory to my Lord, Jesus. Through Him, all things are truly possible.
That is awesome!
 
The offense is working as well as it ever has –

I’ve rewatched the film from last week and rewatched portions multiple times. I think it’s obvious that the offense is working just fine and at least as well as it did last year. The offense is designed to produce opportunities for our playmakers. In the passing game which seems to be of concern to many the plays have been there, really in both of our games so far this year. The problem is that our guys have not been making a lot of those plays. Are they capable of making those plays? Eminently capable. jmo.

LAVol posted that the coaches weren’t trying to be vanilla last week and I agree it didn’t start out that way but Pat Ryan, Jeff Francis, and Erik Ainge all noted that with the early struggles in the passing game the staff significantly dialed back on the aggressiveness. I think it was the writers at 247 that pointed out that almost half of Joe’s passes to this point in the season have been behind the LOS.

LAVol also said that the game Joe wasn’t the same as the practice Joe. Well, especially with the QB, practice is nothing like a game. In a game the QB is live; in practice, not so much. When Hendon Hooker came to Tennessee, before he ever took the field for us, he already had started more games than Joe has under his belt going into this week. Hendon started 15 games for VT, presumably that was all live-action. To date Joe in his college career has started 11 games. Hendon had 11 additional games in 2021 before embarking on a breakout season in 2022. It may also be worth remembering that Hendon lost his starting job at VT in 2020 which is why we were able to get him as a transfer. I think we have to let this play out before jumping to conclusions. jmo.

Saturday night I thought Joe had an outstanding postgame interview with Jayson Swain in the locker room but it seemed like a different Joe when he appeared before the local media. I don’t think he likes those guys. I don’t either so I can understand. I think they’re smug and I don’t know why because I don’t think they know much of anything about football. jmo.

With Swain Joe was pretty critical of the performance on Saturday. For a moment I thought I recognized him from his comments as any number of posters in this thread, maybe a bit less emotional. In the “routine” team meeting that was reported on, it was said that Joe took all the blame for the underperformance of our passing game. I wouldn’t put it all on him and both Pat and Jeff said the same on Monday’s Big Orange Hotline, but I would put most of it on him. I mean he’s the leader. The buck stops there. As the QB at Tennessee he’s not just responsible for himself; he’s responsible for leading the entire offense and consequently he will get outsized credit or blame as the situation at the time warrants. That’s pretty much life for every QB in college football, maybe moreso in the SEC. jmo.

I think we know what we have with Bru McCoy, Ramel Keyton, and Squirrel White. They can play better and have done so in the past. Keyton has had catastrophic moments in both games so far this year. He can’t do that. Neither one of those plays were on Joe and yet both were significant to the perception of our offensive performance in the game. I think that Squirrel White could be better than Jalin Hyatt in this offense. The QBs on the Big Orange hotline said the same after the Virginia game. Coming out of high school Squirrel had a 10.68 100 meter time but the big edge I think Squirrel has is vision and wiggle. He’s really fun to watch with the ball in his hands. jmo.

The big thing Hendon Hooker said he was working on in 2022 was staying quiet in the pocket. Remember that going into 2022 Hendon had already started 26 games in his career. I interpret staying quiet in the pocket as maintaining poise. I think maybe part of Joe’s accuracy issue is he may be rushing his throws by a couple hundred milliseconds. I think he just needs to settle down. I mean he’s demonstrated in the past that he can be accurate, especially downfield. I’m wondering if he’s pressing too hard. That’s the sense that I get. jmo.

Ultimately, I think the obvious key to us getting the production we want from the passing game is Joe and his receivers need to work better together. Right now they’re playing like they hardly know each other and maybe they don’t even like each other all that much. I don’t know but I do think they’re all going to sink or swim together. If they don’t come together and figure out how to succeed together then McCoy, Keyton, and Milton, in particular, are going to continue to see their draft stock plummet faster and steeper than our FPI rating. jmo.

In big games last year we played 13-15 guys on offense and no more so I think barring injury we’ll see less rotation on the OL in the swamp. I don’t know if we trust Thornton yet. Other fans have said he hasn’t lived up to the offseason hype and of course that seems apparent. He’s played 52 snaps so far this year, been targeted 6 times on those snaps, made 2 catches for 12 yards. Keyton is 8 of 11 for 118 yards and 1 TD on 139 snaps. Squirrel is 10 of 14 for 75 yards, no TDs, on 94 snaps, and Bru is 7 of 13 for 72 yards, no TDs, on 124 snaps. Donte may still be trying to learn his blocking assignments. I’m just not sure where he’s at with earning the staff’s trust. It doesn’t look like he’s there yet. jmo.

By all reports Campbell is a stellar teammate. Karic graded out well in the game this past Saturday and Cooper said he’s playing well. Cooper also thought Ollie was doing good. I think if Cooper doesn’t go against Florida, I think Ollie probably gets all the center snaps. According to PFF Mincey has been our highest graded offensive lineman in each of the first two games. He’s had 75 snaps. Crawford has had 91, Karic 116, Ollie 95, Campbell 121, and Spraggins 140. I think those are our 6 and Cooper would be #7. Lampley (32 snaps) and Davis (46 snaps) are emergency use only. jmo.

The offense is working just fine. It’s producing all the usual opportunities for our playmakers to make plays. They will have seen that in their review of the film. I find it very difficult to imagine that they’re not going to be hell-bent on making those plays this week. jmo.

Prediction: Tennessee 77 Florida 3 (Napier kicks a FG on 2nd down from the 34-yard line with 7 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter). Okay, yeah, that’s was trash talk. lol.



Really good post.

JMO - Joe is more averse to contact than HH. HH took it on and was oblivious to the war around him. Joe senses the war. That affects timing of passes and his willingness to scramble. Both create stress on the D.

Dogging Joe needs to stop. We are fortunate to have him, he can do things with his arm HH could not do. He just needs to play more games like you stated. He has the best in the business guiding him. The rest of the cast around him needs to step up and help get it done.
 
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