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UT is allocating resources at a "win now" level. Football should not take a step back next year-- not with the resources invested in this program. The expectation is to compete for championships, and that is the goal every year. Sooner or later, investment and results will have to sync. I'd go with sooner.
While 8-9 wins every year shouldn’t be the goal I don’t think it would do us any good to let rumors of firings and coaching searches fire up after year 4 or even 5 if we do go 9-3. Especially considering we are just a few years removed from 4-8, 5-7 etc. we needed stability and to build back a solid program. Eventually we do need to take that leap but next year will have a lot of unknowns, Nico has no experience although I think he can be elite we just don’t know. Defense has to be addressed. Our 3rd down defense alone cost us a lot this year in some games.
 
I honestly think everyone is discounting or ignoring how we are retaining players who were expected to leave for the NFL (specifically on the OL and DL), and everyone is purely looking for portal additions. We obviously still need to add some players but UT is clearly spending money to keep the beef and experience on the lines for next year. If you win the line of scrimmage, you usually win the games 9 times out of 10.
 
UT is allocating resources at a "win now" level. Football should not take a step back next year-- not with the resources invested in this program. The expectation is to compete for championships, and that is the goal every year. Sooner or later, investment and results will have to sync. I'd go with sooner.
To quote an old enemy in Gainesville
“You know, anything less than winning a national title, you’re a failure,”
“Mediocrity isn’t accepted in most of the SEC”
 
I honestly think everyone is discounting or ignoring how we are retaining players who were expected to leave for the NFL (specifically on the OL and DL), and everyone is purely looking for portal additions. We obviously still need to add some players but UT is clearly spending money to keep the beef and experience on the lines for next year. If you win the line of scrimmage, you usually win the games 9 times out of 10.
If those guys graduated and/or went pro, and we backfilled with 3-4 OL, 1 LB, 2 DL of their caliber, everyone would be stoked
 
McElwain won back to back East titles. We haven’t won one since 2007. And they fired him. They will keep hiring and firing until someone wins big.
My point was that McElwain wasn't a big time hire and I wouldn't call Napier a big time hire either. Also the east was horrible back then and they won those east titles with 5 conference losses. So let's not act he was some dominant coach.
 
My point was that McElwain wasn't a big time hire and I wouldn't call Napier a big time hire either. Also the east was horrible back then and they won those east titles with 5 conference losses. So let's not act he was some dominant coach.
The big time hire is the one that works out.
 
Texas was in a national title game 14 years ago, they've been in the Big 12 championship game since then as well. We just came off of our best year in over 20 years and didn't have a single thing to show for it. No playoff, no conference title, no division title/conference game berth. Tennessee has been left behind in program prestige by the likes of UGA and LSU, and it doesn't have the money to sustain in this day and age of college football. Heupel has done a good job, massively better than anyone in the decade before. I don't think he deserves to get fired but he will eventually get to that point if he doesn't look at the weak points of his system and his coaches. We're not in the group of programs that can naturally weather this dynamic atmosphere that is college football in the NIL era. We needed a guy like Heupel(and really an AD like Danny White) 10 years ago. That level of professionalism and stability would have kept the program afloat. Now we're back teetering on the edge like 2006. We can't stay rooted in values from a decade ago like we did then. We cannot have a staff that is afraid to mix it up, and adapt.

What are you talking about? Specifically the bold.
 
UT is allocating resources at a "win now" level. Football should not take a step back next year-- not with the resources invested in this program. The expectation is to compete for championships, and that is the goal every year. Sooner or later, investment and results will have to sync. I'd go with sooner.
Meanwhile they are fine with Tim Banks and Willie Martinez.
 
Saw where they expect to lose Connor for the year
Saw something similar but I haven’t seen anyone reliable saying about it yet. Would be a massive loss.
As you know, I'm not a fan of Tua. I like the Peyton Manning style QBs that are incredibly cerebral over these QBs that have some of physical talent and rely on the coach too much.
I agree. I don’t think we can win any championships with Tua, but unfortunately McDaniel does and we are probably going to sign him to an extension. Best chance is to get the OL elite where we can lean on the run game more when Tua struggles. Tried to do that last night but with the OL injuries we just couldn’t sustain drives even when we could get some chunk runs. Armstead needs to be the first one gone this summer, dude is hurt every other week.
 
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That’s insane to expect next season.
I agree. For so long we’ve been in the darkness and we have a good thing going now which sets us up to make that leap. Next year just has too many unknowns. My opinion is Nico will be great here but I know there are some harsh learning curves in the SEC. My best guess is 9-3 next year. We need to start signing top 5 classes.
 
You've worsened your fallacy. You've moved from "we should be what we used to be" (with no analysis of the differences between the two and what needs to be done with current resources to get there), to "we should be what TX has been" (with no analysis of the differences between the situation of the two).

You can't escape the fact that expectations should be based on what the program is dealing with *right now* (i.e. current rosters, handicaps, etc), as opposed to the level of success you used to be used to, and most especially as opposed to *completely different teams*!

This should be critical thinking 101.
What? Lol

Didn’t say that at all.

Can’t even continue with you if you think you are making valid points.
 
We were one loss away last year from achieving the same thing rhey did this year. Let's see how they fare under a full SEC schedule year in and year out before we cosing a coaching change.
Who said anything about a coaching change?

F me and this place
 
At the rate Heupel teams score, outlier being this year, our defense doesn’t even need to be elite. It would be nice to be elite but if it was even top 15-20 we’d have real chances at championships.

Heupel is undefeated when the opponents score less than 27.

If I was a DC I’d be chomping at the bit to work for Heupel lol
 
Everybody in the conference is allocating resources at a win now level. Throwing money around only works in tandem with good decision making.
Then all "win now" levels and goals are not the same. UT is paying marquee coaches Top 10 salaries, slightly below Bama and UGA and more than some playoff teams. UT's football recruiting budget is Top 5. UGA and Bama outspend UT but not by much. I'm sure UT feels it is paying for good decision making-- and expects to get it, along with results.
 
McElwain won back to back East titles. We haven’t won one since 2007. And they fired him. They will keep hiring and firing until someone wins big.
OK, so when will they win big under this model? Moreso, when will they get the program to a level of consistent success?

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From the looks of your example, they get impatient after initially positive results, bail/fire at the sniff of struggles, and start over. Has this gotten them to where they used to be? By 'acting like what they are..." ...er, were? Their current state looks little like Meyer or Spurrier.

The point is that your example doesn't support your proposed solution.

You were very close to reality when you mentioned in a previous post, something to the effect that "or else we'll become known as a program where someone can't win". The fact of the matter is that we've come very close to (or have been) that already. And we got there with defective administration that were using your very solution. "Act like what we..." er... WERE! Hire and fire in a panicked cycle. There comes the day when you are NOT what you once were. You become the school known that recruits see as a loser. You become the admin known to prospective coaches as the place where you go to be fired, and where your career dies.

And when you're there, it's impossible to operate as though you are what you once were. Once there, it's just that much more important to have great administration, with a great coach, with long-term joint plans and appropriate patience along with measurable results over time. And once you're there, it's asinine to define the measurable results by "By God, twenty years ago, when the SEC was so much weaker, our records were..."
 
In case you haven't noticed, you used the fact that they are in a position to once again be recycling their staff as some sort of argument that repeatedly recycling staffs leads to success.
Didn’t say that. Again something else you are saying that I did not. I’m saying florida won’t stop until they get it right.
 
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