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He’s talking consistently. And I mean Heupel has done a lot to get closer to those not being automatic losses. This year everyone thought we would beat Florida; he beat Bama for a half of football as well then let it get away. No doubt in my mind that Heupel has elevated the program above where it was when he got here.
That series has definitely seen "consistency" although not what sunshine pumpers want to admit. We have 8...EIGHT...wins vs UF since 1976! Hell, we've done way better vs Bama over the same period of time if you can believe that. We have one more win vs Florida than Kentucky has against us in that same period of time. UK has 7 wins against us since 1976. Let that sink in, but hey, we got 2022!!
 
Haha....yeah, I remember but my memory goes back a tad further....

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Then re-frame and try again. Say something like, "My BVS makes me irrational" as opposed to claiming you'll need to see us beat them, when we just beat them.

Hell, maybe you'll need to see us beat them 5 years in a row before you believe we can beat them. It'd be just as irrational, but would somehow make more sense than what you originally said.
 
I remember news coming out of Fall camp that there were too many whiffs on OL recruiting. They could tell already that a lot of them were not going to work out. TB said Elarbee and CJH are close friends IRL so it’s unlikely you’ll see a change there.
That’s pretty sad honestly
 
We can't beat UF unless we prove we beat them more times than not? We've proven we can beat them at home while they are down. We've proven at least that much.

BVS is a powerful drug.
I’m not saying we can’t beat them once in a blue moon. Florida fans usually consider that an automatic win. It’s much the same as we consider the Kentucky game an automatic win each year. It would’ve been nice to string together a consecutive win this past year but if we can at least string together some home wins vs them it would be a start.
 
Interesting the extremes here.

You have one group that think the sky is falling and another group that thinks this isn't an issue.

Both are wrong.

It isn't great that we haven't landed any of these offensive linemen but our program isn't going into the toilet.

The key is it could be the difference between going 10-2 next year versus 9-3 or 8-4. This past year, we had a lot of injuries so having that depth would really help. So, in a way I lean a little more on this being disappointing and have made comments about our recruiting being an issue although you can argue this staff is doing a good job all circumstances considered (notably the NCAA violation limitations).
And another group that says, "Let's wait and see." Let's not represent the group by its extremes.
 
I’m not saying we can’t beat them once in a blue moon. Florida fans usually consider that an automatic win. It’s much the same as we consider the Kentucky game an automatic win each year. It would’ve been nice to string together a consecutive win this past year but if we can at least string together some home wins vs them it would be a start.
It's funny. I assume everyone on VN would say that they don't believe in voodoo. They won't try to read the future with chicken bones, or stick pins in a doll hoping to give their boss pancreatitis. But they see this staff beat UF last year at home and then say they won't believe it's possible--all based on superstitions from decades past, the results of players and staffs that are no longer here, against players and staffs that are no longer there.

And those self-same non-voodoo folks will argue that voodoo bull**** as though they are the sane, reasonable people.

One could leave all that in the past, compare the teams and staffs, and form expectations based on that.
 
IDT Kiffin will beat what Mincey was getting at UT. If he does, you have to wonder about his reasoning. UT does not close the door on portalers, but Mincey is always disgruntled and it's been the same at multiple schools. He wants to play LT and thinks he deserves it. Can't imagine that's going to change. Bring him back and he'll continue to be a headache. Everyone is moving on... but he hasn't been dismissed from UT.

Edit: Was responding to @JacketVol but double post. Need more coffee.
 
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Our new RF…. He has hit 31,25, and 26 HRs the past three years…. Had 93 RBIs last year and 116 a couple of seasons before that..He usually bats between .260 and .290. The major reason we picked him up was because he had the number one OPS in all of baseball against Left Handed pitching.
 
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Then re-frame and try again. Say something like, "My BVS makes me irrational" as opposed to claiming you'll need to see us beat them, when we just beat them.

Hell, maybe you'll need to see us beat them 5 years in a row before you believe we can beat them. It'd be just as irrational, but would somehow make more sense than what you originally said.
Well, UK beat the brakes off us in 2020 in Knoxville. Should I base my assumptions on that result in that series or look at the history of the rivalry? Are UK fans "irrational" when they count us as a loss? Or are our fans "irrational" when they count the UK game as a win every year no matter the venue or the team records/rankings? Which is more rational....looking at a history over the course of nearly 50 years with multiple coaches or basing one's expectations on a single game in 2022?
 
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So Heupel can't beat Alabama and Florida until he does, though he has, because Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt couldn't beat Alabama and Florida. #logic
You know that's not what that turn of a phrase means. Don't be stupid. I'm not saying it won't happen or hasn't happened. I'm saying that on an annual basis, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
You know that's not what that turn of a phrase means. Don't be stupid. I'm not saying it won't happen or hasn't happened. I'm saying that on an annual basis, I'll believe it when I see it.

That's a pretty tough criteria. Are you expecting him to win against Bama and Florida 70-80% of the time?
 
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Well, UK beat the brakes off us in 2020 in Knoxville. Should I base my assumptions on that result in that series or look at the history of the rivalry? Are UK fans "irrational" when they count us as a loss? Or are our fans "irrational" when they count the UK game as a win every year no matter the venue or the team records/rankings? Which is more rational....looking at a history over the course of nearly 50 years with multiple coaches or basing one's expectations on a single game in 2022?
Why on earth would you look at past results to form expectations as opposed to looking at the current staffs, rosters, etc to form expectations?

It's just as ignorant to expect to beat UK JUST because we've historically done so. Look at the teams, and form expectations.

Look at how dumb it has been to see peoples' reactions to losing to Mizzu this year. Not because they bothered to investigate whether Mizzu was any good this year. Nope. Just because... They're Mizzu!
 
So AP and Hubbs have said that there is a lot of dead weight on the OL, at this point, isn’t most of the reserves on the OL Elarbee recruits? Yet he is the one tasked with recruiting the guys to protect our $8 million QB?
Did they mention which back ups looked like they were progressing?
 
All while we keep hearing Heup, DW, and others say "our goal is to win championships here at Tennessee"................................. "but as long as it's cheap and we don't have to pay too much or risk hurting someone's feewings on the current roster even though all these other schools seem to be dealing with it."

Sorry, I don't want to hear that crap anymore unless you are showing us you are taking the necessary steps to do so... Still time in the portal, but there's been at least 5-7 Oline upgrades that have come and gone already in the portal if we whiff on all that showed up this weekend, but this staff seems very confident with the current Oline depth. In before "well they had something already set up before they entered"... cool, why haven't we done that? Not gonna keep pissing about this anymore, it is what it is, guess we'll see what happens.

IMO going into year 4, there has been enough time, money, and portal options to get us where we need to be... No excuses for this staff this fall if there's a glaring hole in one of the position groups and it causes us to fall short/end up with some L's...
Are we not moving in that direction? They have done a fantastic overall job.
 
IDT Kiffin will beat what Mincey was getting at UT. If he does, you have to wonder about his reasoning. UT does not close the door on portalers, but Mincey is always disgruntled and it's been the same at multiple schools. He wants to play LT and thinks he deserves it. Can't imagine that's going to change. Bring him back and he'll continue to be a headache. Everyone is moving on... but he hasn't been dismissed from UT.

Edit: Was responding to @JacketVol but double post. Need more coffee.
Does this mean there is a small chance he stays?
 
Why on earth would you look at past results to form expectations as opposed to looking at the current staffs, rosters, etc to form expectations?

It's just as ignorant to expect to beat UK JUST because we've historically done so. Look at the teams, and form expectations.

Look at how dumb it has been to see peoples' reactions to losing to Mizzu this year. Not because they bothered to investigate whether Mizzu was any good this year. Nope. Just because... They're Mizzu!
Come on. You know darned good and well that this board crows every single year about UK being an automatic W. Same for Vandy. Every...single...season. Look back at the posts. You know it's true. So if it's ignorant for me to look at the UF series the same way, then it's just as ignorant for every UT fan to see the UK game that way. But is it so ignorant when history is there for the viewing? Look at it from a betting standpoint. If you'd made your bets based on history, how would your winnings look vs if you just looked at who had the better team on paper or what the rankings said? How many times have we had the better team on paper only to lose to "that trash UF program"? How many times have we beaten a superior UF team? Same deal with UK but in reverse. You can spout off about being realistic with expectations and taking a logical look at each team each year, but you simply cannot deny history. And yes, we now have Nico, but we also had Manning who turned out to be one of the greatest of all time in college/pro football. A sure HOF guy. How did his record look vs UF? How many NFL players did UT churn out during his time at UT? So, again, I'll believe a win vs UF when I see it...on an annual basis, but hey, you do you.
 
It's funny. I assume everyone on VN would say that they don't believe in voodoo. They won't try to read the future with chicken bones, or stick pins in a doll hoping to give their boss pancreatitis. But they see this staff beat UF last year at home and then say they won't believe it's possible--all based on superstitions from decades past, the results of players and staffs that are no longer here, against players and staffs that are no longer there.

And those self-same non-voodoo folks will argue that voodoo bull**** as though they are the sane, reasonable people.

One could leave all that in the past, compare the teams and staffs, and form expectations based on that.
Anyone on VN who says they don't believe in voodoo is obviously ignorant of the curse Rohan Davey's momma put on us after we injured her boy in the 2001 SEC CG. It's science. Look it up.
 
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