Recruiting Football Talk VII

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CAVPUT said:
Come on. You know darned good and well that this board crows every single year about UK being an automatic W. Same for Vandy. Every...single...season. Look back at the posts. You know it's true. So if it's ignorant for me to look at the UF series the same way, then it's just as ignorant for every UT fan to see the UK game that way. But is it so ignorant when history is there for the viewing? Look at it from a betting standpoint. If you'd made your bets based on history, how would your winnings look vs if you just looked at who had the better team on paper or what the rankings said? How many times have we had the better team on paper only to lose to "that trash UF program"? How many times have we beaten a superior UF team? Same deal with UK but in reverse. You can spout off about being realistic with expectations and taking a logical look at each team each year, but you simply cannot deny history. And yes, we now have Nico, but we also had Manning who turned out to be one of the greatest of all time in college/pro football. A sure HOF guy. How did his record look vs UF? How many NFL players did UT churn out during his time at UT? So, again, I'll believe a win vs UF when I see it...on an annual basis, but hey, you do you.
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It is just as ignorant. You can't make irrational reasoning rational by justifying it with other irrational reasoning.

As to the rest of your post, already answered:

Orange_Crush said:
...all based on superstitions from decades past, the results of players and staffs that are no longer here, against players and staffs that are no longer there.
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matt_mccoy19 said:
So AP and Hubbs have said that there is a lot of dead weight on the OL, at this point, isn’t most of the reserves on the OL Elarbee recruits? Yet he is the one tasked with recruiting the guys to protect our $8 million QB?
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When did they say that? Can you give me a direct quote or time stamp? I feel like a lot of things they say are extremely misrepresented on this board.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's funny. I assume everyone on VN would say that they don't believe in voodoo. They won't try to read the future with chicken bones, or stick pins in a doll hoping to give their boss pancreatitis. But they see this staff beat UF last year at home and then say they won't believe it's possible--all based on superstitions from decades past, the results of players and staffs that are no longer here, against players and staffs that are no longer there.

And those self-same non-voodoo folks will argue that voodoo bull**** as though they are the sane, reasonable people.

One could leave all that in the past, compare the teams and staffs, and form expectations based on that.
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So nearly 50 years of history is equated to "voodoo"? That's your analogy? I think it's more reasonable to consider that history has gotten into our heads as a program and fan base. It's sure as heck in mine and for good reason. It's like what UK has going vs UF right now. They expect to win and UF expects to lose. We've just not managed to snap out of it. It's a self fullfillling prophecy, but it's real from that standpoint not "voodoo".
 
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Vol8188 said:
When did they say that? Can you give me a direct quote or time stamp? I feel like a lot of things they say are extremely misrepresented on this board.
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They have said as much in podcasts. Not specifically use the term dead weight, but something along the lines of "the room is crowded." The takeaway I came away with is there is not a lot of separation from several guys. That makes it harder for guys to see their opportunity when shopping us.
 
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CAVPUT said:
So nearly 50 years of history is equated to "voodoo"? That's your analogy? I think it's more reasonable to consider that history has gotten into our heads as a program and fan base. It's sure as heck in mine and for good reason. It's like what UK has going vs UF right now. They expect to win and UF expects to lose. We've just not managed to snap out of it. It's a self fullfillling prophecy, but it's real from that standpoint not "voodoo".
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With all due respect. I'm not concerned with what you think.

It's forming expectations for this staff based on decades-old factors, while ignoring more recent factors (recent win) per this staff/team, and not bothering to look at the current teams.

(And referncing history being in the fanbase's--i.e. your--head doesn't help your argument. I've already mentioned that with the term BVS.)

It's BVS; little more. Try to rationalize it any way you need to.
 
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matt_mccoy19 said:
So AP and Hubbs have said that there is a lot of dead weight on the OL, at this point, isn’t most of the reserves on the OL Elarbee recruits? Yet he is the one tasked with recruiting the guys to protect our $8 million QB?
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Meh. Standard AP and Hubbs during portal/signing season.

AP and Hubbs during spring/fall camp: “New guys are huge. Really look the part. Move well. XXX appears to be pushing for starting snaps. Will be a factor.”

So it goes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's a pretty tough criteria. Are you expecting him to win against Bama and Florida 70-80% of the time?
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It shouldn't be that hard to beat Florida since they have had 3 STRAIGHT losing seasons. 2023 Tennessee would have been a good year had we not lost to 5-7 Florida. Arkansas won in the Swamp, why can't Tennessee?

Having extra lineup could give us the depth to not have bad losses like the Florida game (or Missouri) in 2023. I understand that beating Alabama or Georgia regularly is a tall order to request, but I think it is reasonable to expect to beat a Florida program with 3 losing seasons.
 
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DD4ME said:
They have said as much in podcasts. Not specifically use the term dead weight, but something along the lines of "the room is crowded." The takeaway I came away with is there is not a lot of separation from several guys. That makes it harder for guys to see their opportunity when shopping us.
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So they've not actually said what is being claimed.
 
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volbound1700 said:
It shouldn't be that hard to beat Florida since they have had 3 STRAIGHT losing seasons. 2023 Tennessee would have been a good year had we not lost to 5-7 Florida. Arkansas won in the Swamp, why can't Tennessee?

Having extra lineup could give us the depth to not have bad losses like the Florida game (or Missouri) in 2023. I understand that beating Alabama or Georgia regularly is a tall order to request, but I think it is reasonable to expect to beat a Florida program with 3 losing seasons.
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Are you convinced that it's always the better team that wins or do you accept the fact that some level of outcome is determined by chance?
 
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Glitch said:
Everyone expecting us to be able to cruit like Bama/UGA/OSU/etc after the last 20 years plus cornbread's NCAA debacle is really probably not realistic. We have the best coach that we could hope for in Heup. He is flawed like every other coach but I would rather have him right now than anyone. He was handed a gigantic pile of 🐄💩 and has taken us to the Orange and Citrus bowls and great wins in both in 3 years. He is finally going to start having his recruits on the field in large numbers next year. Folks just need to relax. If you are fretting about our OL and OL cruiting (or cruiting in general) in January then maybe it's time to log out for a while and focus on more important things.
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I respect your opinion but find it ironic that you're asking people not to worry about or discuss recruiting in the forum dedicated to recruiting.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's funny. I assume everyone on VN would say that they don't believe in voodoo. They won't try to read the future with chicken bones, or stick pins in a doll hoping to give their boss pancreatitis. But they see this staff beat UF last year at home and then say they won't believe it's possible--all based on superstitions from decades past, the results of players and staffs that are no longer here, against players and staffs that are no longer there.

And those self-same non-voodoo folks will argue that voodoo bull**** as though they are the sane, reasonable people.

One could leave all that in the past, compare the teams and staffs, and form expectations based on that.
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One could do that. One could also have enough years of doing that to know that most times it just doesn’t work out on our end. Regardless of talent level, coaching prowess, etc Florida just for some reason seems to have our number
 
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Weezer said:
I respect your opinion but find it ironic that you're asking people not to worry about or discuss recruiting in the forum dedicated to recruiting.
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I didn't see that in his/her post. Looked like it was continuing the discussion on recruiting.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you convinced that it's always the better team that wins or do you accept the fact that some level of outcome is determined by chance?
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History says best team wins most of the time. Look at Alabama and Saban, Kirby Smart and Georgia, etc.

Fact is, Tennessee did should NOT have lost to Florida this year. That game is why the 2023 season is considered a disappointment. You have to beat 1 of the big 3, especially when they are down and not winning. Florida is very down right now. Florida beat up on us when we were down winning 11 straight or something insane like that. Now that they are down, you have to take advantage and we did NOT.

So yes, 2023 was a disappointment and it really came down to 1 game.

Getting extra depth on the O-line might have made a difference in that Florida game. So this is why the recruiting and missing all these oline targets matter. Sure, we may still have alright 8-4 or 9-3 seasons but if we want to start beating the big 3 on our schedule, even when the big 3 are down, it takes this extra spot.

What has made Tennessee such an embarrassment (at least to me), historically, is our long losing streaks to rivals. Most decent programs don't go 10 or more years of losing to the same team every year. Tennessee has that record with Alabama (16 years straight), Florida (2 wins in like 20 something years), and Georgia. We don't beat our rivals. Heupel finally did that in 2022 but it would have been nice to carry that momentum and beat Florida again while they are down and out. Losing in the Swamp was a MAJOR step back. Despite that, I am very excited for 2024 and looking forward to future. I just don't want to have one missing offensive line man keeping us from getting to that next step.

Also not having that depth, makes us more vulnerable to upsets to teams like UK, Vandy, Arkansas, etc.
 
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SoilVol said:
Carson Gentle won the Father Ryan Invitational wrestling tournament this weekend at heavyweight. 49 teams from 7 states were in attendance.
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I love...LOVE...linemen who are also wrestlers. They have that core strength and understand leverage. I think he's on the field at UT sooner rather than later.
 
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