Recruiting Football Talk VII

[drvenner]

Welp, I will also follow his Instagram. Probably not for exactly the same reason.

 

[Nuctech777]

 

[drvenner]

Ben Zobrist Days until it's baseball time in Tennessee!!!

 

[butchna]

Tell Katt Williams to leave this Faizon alone.

I try to curb fan reflexes with this staff, but after previous coaches passing on QBs like Michael Penix or slow playing others in pursuit of the ONE GUY in a class, I feel heartened by recruitments like this following Heupel focusing on Nico EARLY in the Arch Manning or bust class. As Jared Curtis pares his list down expect other coaches to desperately attempt to make up valuable ground.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Cry me a river, Josh.

Crap hot take. No college football coach will be so disenamored with the “structure of college football” that they will give up the game they love and the millions of dollars they make annually to go anywhere other than on the field. @JoshPate You’ve got a lot of people who listen to you. You don’t need to go that far out on a limb to drive clicks.

 

[eVOLve]

Y'all can trash Pate all you want, but if we lose a coach due to the chaos you may feel differently.

Heup is eating it up the way it is.. don’t think he wants change

 

[SSVol]

Maybe. But right now he’s peddling fear.

What coaches in their prime have left? Saban is his 70s. Harbaugh - also old - is skirting sanctions and getting back to NFL after winning a NC.

He hears rumblings and rumors we don't.

It's broken and it will eventually take a toll. In the NFL the players are chasing $$, but they are also bound by employment contracts that contain punitive clauses. As long as NIL is used as defacto employment without any transfer restrictions or buyouts, the chaos will continue.

I'm not suggesting they not be paid, nor am I suggesting they shouldn't be able to transfer. But right now it's possible for a player to transfer every season while not being held to account when he doesn't want to play the game. That's a problem that needs to be addressed. If they can find a middle ground that forces some accountability on the players and gives the school some confidence a player will be there for an agreed upon term, I think that would dial back the drama.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

He hears rumblings and rumors we don't.

It's broken and it will eventually take a toll. In the NFL the players are chasing $$, but they are also bound by employment contracts that contain punitive clauses. As long as NIL is used as defacto employment without any transfer restrictions or buyouts, the chaos will continue.

I'm not suggesting they not be paid, nor am I suggesting they shouldn't be able to transfer. But right now it's possible for a player to transfer every season while not being held to account when he doesn't want to play the game. That's a problem that needs to be addressed. If they can find a middle ground that forces some accountability on the players and gives the school some confidence a player will be there for an agreed upon term, I think that would dial back the drama.

Yep, the pendulum has swung completely the other way. Players went from holding no cards to now all the cards. Lack of structure and accountability is degrading the integrity of college athletics, primarily CFB.

 

[SSVol]

Crap hot take. No college football coach will be so disenamored with the “structure of college football” that they will give up the game they love and the millions of dollars they make annually to go anywhere other than on the field. @JoshPate You’ve got a lot of people who listen to you. You don’t need to go that far out on a limb to drive clicks.

There is an upper limit to how much money makes you happy, and beyond a certain point, your lifestyle is unlikely to change. When you have enough invested that your lifestyle is sustainable indefinitely, employment earnings become far less relevant. What is relevant is the stress and time taken away from home and family.

 

[engineerVOL]

Strangely I’m not worried.

$9M a year to put up with it.

 

[Adam Sandler]

There is an upper limit to how much money makes you happy, and beyond a certain point, your lifestyle is unlikely to change. When you have enough invested that your lifestyle is sustainable indefinitely, employment earnings become far less relevant. What is relevant is the stress and time taken away from home and family.

I like how you spoke about one point in my post and not at all about the one about the “game they love and being on the field” point, which is what drives most of them to do what they do.

For the record, I generally agree with the point you’ve made. You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know to be true. I will also note for anyone who is driven by monetary value, which is many Americans, stepping away from generous compensation can be difficult. It would take a very toxic situation to make people step away from what they love. My point was: the game changes, that’s part of it. The coaches know this. College football isn’t “so broken” that coaches are going to step away. That’s a false narrative. The coaches will adapt.

Also for what it’s worth, Sabans wife apparently has early onset dementia, and that is apparently the main driver of his retirement decision per my Alabama friends. So it appears though Saban was not particularly a fan of NIL, it might not be the main cause of his retirement decision as many have speculated.

 

[itsme]

Idiot Jered Stillman from 102.5 in Nashville tweeted that Dan Campbell needs to be fired.

Ex Titan Josh Reynolds catches two passes that hit him in the hands and Gibbs doesn’t fumble…Lions win.

God I hate stupid people…..

The fact that that moron still has a following and a job baffles me. Nashville radio would be a lot better without him on the airwaves.

 

[Nuctech777]

Crap hot take. No college football coach will be so disenamored with the “structure of college football” that they will give up the game they love and the millions of dollars they make annually to go anywhere other than on the field. @JoshPate You’ve got a lot of people who listen to you. You don’t need to go that far out on a limb to drive clicks.

I could see Dabo doing it, because he has been vocal about all the changes. He might blame it on the current state, but I think he’d be wanting to hit reset and come back with some hype.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

He hears rumblings and rumors we don't.

It's broken and it will eventually take a toll. In the NFL the players are chasing $$, but they are also bound by employment contracts that contain punitive clauses. As long as NIL is used as defacto employment without any transfer restrictions or buyouts, the chaos will continue.

I'm not suggesting they not be paid, nor am I suggesting they shouldn't be able to transfer. But right now it's possible for a player to transfer every season while not being held to account when he doesn't want to play the game. That's a problem that needs to be addressed. If they can find a middle ground that forces some accountability on the players and gives the school some confidence a player will be there for an agreed upon term, I think that would dial back the drama.

It needs to be re structured. There needs to be some sort of accountability on the players side. Right now there is none, they can take the money and run without consequences.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

Idiot Jered Stillman from 102.5 in Nashville tweeted that Dan Campbell needs to be fired.

Ex Titan Josh Reynolds catches two passes that hit him in the hands and Gibbs doesn’t fumble…Lions win.

God I hate stupid people…..

Also the dropped interception that turned into a 50 yard catch

 

[Jackcrevol]

Needs a chin beard, and to rap more.

 

[Vols_In_Cambridge]

We need to offer this guy-- five offers in the last couple of weeks.

 

[Vols_In_Cambridge]

We need to offer this guy-- five offers in the last couple of weeks.

Carson Lawrence
WR/DB
6'3" 190
2025
Chattanooga, TN

Will be a 4 STAR

 

[JCVol00]

Tell Katt Williams to leave this Faizon alone.

Why is he wearing a UGA shirt at a UT visit though?

Edit: it’s his HS logo

 

[Vols_In_Cambridge]

Carson Lawrence
WR/DB
6'3" 190
2025
Chattanooga, TN

Will be a 4 STAR

 

[Enki_Amenra]

What has been done can not be undone. . . welcome to the SEC

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Why is he wearing a UGA shirt at a UT visit though?

Edit: it’s his HS logo

That G must be the most generic logo in all of football.

 

[SSVol]

I like how you spoke about one point in my post and not at all about the one about the “game they love and being on the field” point, which is what drives most of them to do what they do.

For the record, I generally agree with the point you’ve made. You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know to be true. I will also note for anyone who is driven by monetary value, which is many Americans, stepping away from generous compensation can be difficult. It would take a very toxic situation to make people step away from what they love. My point was: the game changes, that’s part of it. The coaches know this. College football isn’t “so broken” that coaches are going to step away. That’s a false narrative. The coaches will adapt.

Also for what it’s worth, Sabans wife apparently has early onset dementia, and that is apparently the main driver of his retirement decision per my Alabama friends. So it appears though Saban was not particularly a fan of NIL, it might not be the main cause of his retirement decision as many have speculated.

The starting part for the discussion was Pate's assertion that CFB coaches could leave for the NFL (still football) or the booth (football adjacent) or sit out for a bit (with a chance to return to football). There are many other ways to express their love of the sport other than coaching in a high stress major D1 environment where chaos reigns. If I'm not driven by money, I can enjoy coaching where expectations are lower or pursue other aspects of the game.

X million per year only sounds like a lot to people who don't have that much. Once you do, everything else bad starts becoming more obvious. Against that backdrop, I can find easier ways to scratch my itch.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Why is he wearing a UGA shirt at a UT visit though?

Edit: it’s his HS logo

Hey I think that's his high school logo.

 

[Glitch]

Carson Lawrence
WR/DB
6'3" 190
2025
Chattanooga, TN

Will be a 4 STAR

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