Recruiting Football Talk VII

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SSVol said:
The starting part for the discussion was Pate's assertion that CFB coaches could leave for the NFL (still football) or the booth (football adjacent) or sit out for a bit (with a chance to return to football). There are many other ways to express their love of the sport other than coaching in a high stress major D1 environment where chaos reigns. If I'm not driven by money, I can enjoy coaching where expectations are lower or pursue other aspects of the game.

X million per year only sounds like a lot to people who don't have that much. Once you do, everything else bad starts becoming more obvious. Against that backdrop, I can find easier ways to scratch my itch.
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I could see them trying their hand at the NFL possibly. But for those whose love of the game includes being on the field, I don’t see them leaving during their prime to sit at home or be a color commentator (unless they’re waiting out a buyout from being axed - looking at you fisher, Meyer, Mullen).
 
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MarcoVol said:
Your first time listening to him? Been arrogant. Part of his thing. Literally calls people “casuals” lol
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There are a lot of uninformed “casuals” in college football that lack knowledge and are narrow minded. That’s the Paul Finebaum and Barstool fanbases. There is a small percentage of fans that would like to hear good analysis that’s broken down by X’s and O’s and logic rather than hurling insults or “just because”.

Pate is the best voice in college football currently. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I don’t take it as arrogance at all. He had a humbled upbringing and earned his.
 
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SSVol said:
Y'all can trash Pate all you want, but if we lose a coach due to the chaos you may feel differently.
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In the end there are only so many pro jobs. The market will bear what it can. It is a basic capitalist system. You will never get the genie back in the bottle on NIL. Making them employees does not negate NIL it only adds yet another revenue cost.

The NCAA and the courts won't limit transfers so that really only allows for schedule changes imo.
 
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gordonr24 said:
There are a lot of uninformed “casuals” in college football that lack knowledge and are narrow minded. That’s the Paul Finebaum and Barstool fanbases. There is a small percentage of fans that would like to hear good analysis that’s broken down by X’s and O’s and logic rather than hurling insults or “just because”.

Pate is the best voice in college football currently. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I don’t take it as arrogance at all. He had a humbled upbringing and earned his.
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I like Pate too and I listen to his pod.

But he’s arrogant at times for sure. That’s ok. He’s not annoying about it, he’s funny about it. You can be arrogant and not be a d*ck. Just like you can be an azzhole or a b*tch and still be likable. Depends on what other qualities you surround that part of you with.
 
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gordonr24 said:
There are a lot of uninformed “casuals” in college football that lack knowledge and are narrow minded. That’s the Paul Finebaum and Barstool fanbases. There is a small percentage of fans that would like to hear good analysis that’s broken down by X’s and O’s and logic rather than hurling insults or “just because”.

Pate is the best voice in college football currently. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I don’t take it as arrogance at all. He had a humbled upbringing and earned his.
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Meh. There are better x's and o's guys. Not bashing Pate, but he does come across arrogant and all knowing. The reality is more often is he is just offering his opinion on a topic.

I am sure the reasoning and style of his content is the nature of the algorithm. He is knowledgeable to a point, but I don't find him that interesting personally.

I think the best X and O guy in SEC is this guy below. Some don't like this guy because he is a UGA insider, but he gives credit where it is due also. Not all of his content is relevant to a vol fan, but when he speaks about us or our shared competitors I listen. He also speaks to actual NIL impacts and rumors that others don't.


 
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SSVol said:
Y'all can trash Pate all you want, but if we lose a coach due to the chaos you may feel differently.
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What chaos? Lol the nil is still new and the ppl complaining about it either are insecure about their own NIL fund and want the old ways back (under the table) or is named Dabo…losing coaches because of nil? You mean the guy who is going to get a 3 year show cause from the ncaa. These coaches get paid millions to do this job and nobody should feel sorry for them for having to work more than they did back in the day.
 
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DD4ME said:
In the end there are only so many pro jobs. The market will bear what it can. It is a basic capitalist system. You will never get the genie back in the bottle on NIL. Making them employees does not negate NIL it only adds yet another revenue cost.

The NCAA and the courts won't limit transfers so that really only allows for schedule changes imo.
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I'm not proposing a solution, just pointing out what the real problem is. When an NFL team signs a deal with a player the deal is a price, for a time, with performance expectations and penalties. NIL is being used as pay for services, but without any of the guarantees, penalties, or performance mandates. That is a formula for trouble and trouble is what we're getting.

Employment doesn't eliminate NIL, but it will relegate it to second tier. NIL is being used to get around the inability to pay, but if you could pay you wouldn't be using NIL. There is zero chance that a high school 5* OT's NIL is worth to a company what he's being paid, so NIL drops to something more appropriate to its value.

I love Nico, but I seriously doubt he is generating $10M in revenues to the companies he's hyping, and to be worth $2M annually, he's got to be driving much more than that in sales. Maybe I'm wrong, but that would have to be a *lot* of beets. And even if Nico is driving that much business, I assure you the OT being paid $1M isn't. He's ultimately being paid because the businesses of Knoxville make far more when UT is good, and they know it is worth money to them to keep UT good. That isn't really NIL.

"Hi. I'm Nico Iamaleava. When my parents come to town they always stay at The Tennessean. Now I know most of you are poors that can't afford it, but just think how nice it would be if you could. Go Vols!"

Um no. The majority of The Tennessean's demographic probably don't know who Nico is, but I promise the hotel owners well know how important UT's success is to their sales. So there is a strong justification to invest in the program, but NIL may not be the best vehicle. If athletes were employees, I think NIL will still matter, but not be the primary motivator. Look at the NFL. How many guys do you see in ads? Very few.

JMO
 
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tnvols72 said:
Make it make sense

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This is what I don’t understand, how many of these coaches took over a team in the shape ours was in and
1). Became number 1 rank in 3 years
2) went to a bowl every year
3) ranked top 20 every year (I think)

this “ranking makes no sense! Stoops? Kiffin? Deboer? In fact none of them have done it with the exception of Heuple.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I like Pate too and I listen to his pod.

But he’s arrogant at times for sure. That’s ok. He’s not annoying about it, he’s funny about it. You can be arrogant and not be a d*ck. Just like you can be an azzhole or a b*tch and still be likable. Depends on what other qualities you surround that part of you with.
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I prefer the way Team America explained it
 
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