Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jimmy Football]

UNC losing to a 9-11 team.

That's a Q4 loss. Woof!

Now that’s a bad loss and a bad metrics loss.

 

[***RoadVol***]

What I am kind of worried about is the negative recruiting. That has been happening to us ever since Heupel got here. Now this may start it up again.

Recruiting is different now. They don't care what the other coaches will say. It's all about the NIL $$$ in most cases.

 

[Jackcrevol]

My thoughts on the NCAA situation:

While I agree wholeheartedly with Plowman's letter, I'm afraid it's going to make the NCAA dig their heels in deeper. They are so desperate to remain relevant. The problem with all of the "we will sue the crap out of them" talk is the time horizon. They could easily rule Nico ineligible for next season for taking improper benefits and dare Tennessee to continue to play him with the potential of the vacating of wins and no playoff eligibility.

The NCAA has shown that they won't stop until a case has reached the Supreme Court, which takes years generally absent extreme circumstances. As a private organization, the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, even applying laws retrospectively. Even the Tennessee law, if applied strictly, will be litigated throughout 2 or 3 levels of state courts.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out of this is for the NCAA's investigation to determine that UT and Spyre's conduct was above board. I think our best hope is that the investigation and the subsequent appeal process is lengthy and does not conclude until the completion of the 24-25 season.

While it will be the NCAA's death rattle, they can still inflict maximum damage until there's a sea change in college athletics.

This is legitimately either a smear job, or NCAA picking a fight, or retribution for feeling like they got their asses smacked in cinci.

none of this makes any sense. they are clearly setting precedent that cooperation isn't good behavior. lsu is the case study.

this is the tip of the iceberg. the beginning of the end. no way this ends well for them.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Adams does that every game he calls.

When a team makes a run and an official snatches the momentum that's bias, that's corruption.

 

[Jackcrevol]

i mean, im ready for someone to sue the ever loving ****ing **** out of the NCAA. I dont even care any more.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

@InVOLuntary I’ve been meaning to ask you how that barn cat is doing that your wife is taking care of??

 

[eVOLve]

This game doesn't mean crap...period. All teams have bad shooting nights..period. It will never make sense to you if you don't know basketball.

It's just the nature of the game. We have a good team, that will make the tourney..if we shoot well, we will win..if we have a night like this, we will lose.

And there is no making sense of it...we do not have a plethora of great shooters and scorers...but even the greatest shooting teams ever have had bad shooting nights...it's just basketball.

You’re right. If a few of those free throws and easy layups went in.. different ballgame

 

[Girth Brooks]

 

[Jackcrevol]

You’re right. If a few of those free throws and easy layups went in.. different ballgame

 

[SoilVol]

My thoughts on the NCAA situation:

While I agree wholeheartedly with Plowman's letter, I'm afraid it's going to make the NCAA dig their heels in deeper. They are so desperate to remain relevant. The problem with all of the "we will sue the crap out of them" talk is the time horizon. They could easily rule Nico ineligible for next season for taking improper benefits and dare Tennessee to continue to play him with the potential of the vacating of wins and no playoff eligibility.

The NCAA has shown that they won't stop until a case has reached the Supreme Court, which takes years generally absent extreme circumstances. As a private organization, the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, even applying laws retrospectively. Even the Tennessee law, if applied strictly, will be litigated throughout 2 or 3 levels of state courts.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out of this is for the NCAA's investigation to determine that UT and Spyre's conduct was above board. I think our best hope is that the investigation and the subsequent appeal process is lengthy and does not conclude until the completion of the 24-25 season.

While it will be the NCAA's death rattle, they can still inflict maximum damage until there's a sea change in college athletics.

Play that out though....

The NCAA is starving for $$$$. That's one of the major reasons why they hit us with the highest monetary punishment ever over Pruitt.

They can't sustain a lengthy, drawn out lawsuit like that and the repercussions of it. The cost of the lawyers is one thing, the other is that they. won't. win.

If they rule Nico ineligible and give us a postseason ban, we will win the lawsuit. And we will countersue for the $$$ losses and damages of projected wins with Nico and loss of playoff income, ticket sales, concessions, etc. Throw fhe kitchen sink in there. And we will win that, because they illegally prevented our star player from playing and singled out a university that didn't violate any rules from postseason play and earning potential and recruiting potential.

And when we suck their bank accounts dry we will dance on their graves. And so will everyone else as we collectively build a new college sports organization on the rubble of their stupid house we burned down. Family photos and all.

 

[Jimmy Football]

My thoughts on the NCAA situation:

While I agree wholeheartedly with Plowman's letter, I'm afraid it's going to make the NCAA dig their heels in deeper. They are so desperate to remain relevant. The problem with all of the "we will sue the crap out of them" talk is the time horizon. They could easily rule Nico ineligible for next season for taking improper benefits and dare Tennessee to continue to play him with the potential of the vacating of wins and no playoff eligibility.

The NCAA has shown that they won't stop until a case has reached the Supreme Court, which takes years generally absent extreme circumstances. As a private organization, the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, even applying laws retrospectively. Even the Tennessee law, if applied strictly, will be litigated throughout 2 or 3 levels of state courts.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out of this is for the NCAA's investigation to determine that UT and Spyre's conduct was above board. I think our best hope is that the investigation and the subsequent appeal process is lengthy and does not conclude until the completion of the 24-25 season.

While it will be the NCAA's death rattle, they can still inflict maximum damage until there's a sea change in college athletics.

This is overly pessimistic. But you’re right that it’s not good if it drags on.

 

[InVOLuntary]

@InVOLuntary I’ve been meaning to ask you how that barn cat is doing that your wife is taking care of??

She's better. I wouldn't call her a barn cat, though. She has a house on the porch with a comfy pad and a heated pad under it. She's pretty spoiled for an outside cat. She lost part of her ear but her fur has grown back nicely.

 

[SoilVol]

Also, Michigan literally cheated ON THE FIELD in the largest cheating network and scandal of modern football history and the NCAA didn't vacate wins or do sh*t and they went on to win the natty.

A high schooler makes money (less than others) and an airplane ride and they want to be tough? Broken organization.

 

[Jackcrevol]

mike drop

 

[SoilVol]

No disagreement. And I'm not 'mad'. But I was really starting to believe this team had games like this well in it's rear view. Disappointed i guess is a better word, for this game.

Every team has games like this. Just reality. Houston's only losses are to unranked teams and they almost lost to another last night. UNC was the only team immune from it until thirty minutes ago losing to a <.500 team.

At least our loss was to a 18-3 team near the top of league standings with multiple Q1 wins who I think will crack the Top 15 at some point.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

She's better. I wouldn't call her a barn cat, though. She has a hose on the porch with a comfy pad and a heated pad under it. She's pretty spoiled for an outside cat. She lost part of her ear but her fur has grown back nicely.

Sorry..I don’t know where I got “barn” cat from.. Yeah sounds like she has it made and is part of the family now.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Play that out though....

The NCAA is starving for $$$$. That's one of the major reasons why they hit us with the highest monetary punishment ever over Pruitt.

They can't sustain a lengthy, drawn out lawsuit like that and the repercussions of it. The cost of the lawyers is one thing, the other is that they. won't. win.

If they rule Nico ineligible and give us a postseason ban, we will win the lawsuit. And we will countersue for the $$$ losses and damages of projected wins with Nico and loss of playoff income, ticket sales, concessions, etc. Throw fhe kitchen sink in there. And we will win that, because they illegally prevented our star player from playing and singled out a university that didn't violate any rules from postseason play and earning potential and recruiting potential.

And when we suck their bank accounts dry we will dance on their graves. And so will everyone else as we collectively build a new college sports organization on the rubble of their stupid house we burned down. Family photos and all.

They better get ready. Cause its comin', Donde all...

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[buffaloblue]

We are fine here. The chancellor is not gonna come out with the statement like that along with several state representatives. If we haven’t known exactly what we’re doing the whole time on top of that you have mars coming out with the statement. the NCAA picked the wrong group to go against.

 

[TheRain]

 

[EezyE]

My thoughts on the NCAA situation:

While I agree wholeheartedly with Plowman's letter, I'm afraid it's going to make the NCAA dig their heels in deeper. They are so desperate to remain relevant. The problem with all of the "we will sue the crap out of them" talk is the time horizon. They could easily rule Nico ineligible for next season for taking improper benefits and dare Tennessee to continue to play him with the potential of the vacating of wins and no playoff eligibility.

The NCAA has shown that they won't stop until a case has reached the Supreme Court, which takes years generally absent extreme circumstances. As a private organization, the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, even applying laws retrospectively. Even the Tennessee law, if applied strictly, will be litigated throughout 2 or 3 levels of state courts.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out of this is for the NCAA's investigation to determine that UT and Spyre's conduct was above board. I think our best hope is that the investigation and the subsequent appeal process is lengthy and does not conclude until the completion of the 24-25 season.

While it will be the NCAA's death rattle, they can still inflict maximum damage until there's a sea change in college athletics.

The only way to defeat a bully is to stand up to them. In all actuality, the NCAA has screwed themselves. If they back down, they’ll look weak and powerless. If they proceed, then they will have set the precedent their guidelines don’t matter and can change anytime they want. I’m sure member institutions won’t go along with that.

Additionally, Tom Mars is involved on Spyre’s side and the NCAA doesn’t like him. For those who do not know, Mars was Houston Nutt’s attorney who found Hugh Freeze’s phone records.

So, screw it and go all in. It’s time to bring down the NCAA. If you study the Alston case and read Justice Kavanaugh’s comments during the arguments, it almost signaled they’d be open to allowing pay for play, for lack of a better term. I don’t think the NCAA wants that case in front of the court.

Tennessee has no choice but to go full throttle. You don’t admit to doing something wrong when you didn’t and you don’t accept punishment for something that did not violate any guidelines.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Down goes the tarheels. . . fahr Barnes!

Yeah because that’s what everyone is saying

 

[scienceteaching_vol]

They why’s of this game are pretty simple. We were not good enough when it counted. 60% for the FT line? That’s terrible. DK needs help. The dude has carried us for the majority of our big wins. I put the regression of JJJ on coaching. Also, I don’t like Barnes philosophy of you just have to keep shooting the 3 even if you are missing it most of the time. How about instead of that, tell the players to drive to the basket? Much higher percentage shots.

I mean they missed a lot of shots at the basket. It was just an all around off night.

 

[hotcypress]

This is overly pessimistic. But you’re right that it’s not good if it drags on.

I don't think it's that pessimistic. I think the NCAA leaked this story to Forde after Tennessee didn't lie down and grovel after today's meeting. I don't think they would leak it and risk even further damage to their dwindling reputation if they didn't feel confident in their initial findings. Maybe they are not made public, but I don't remember too many instances of the NCAA's investigations that don't lead to a notice of allegations.

You guys are acting like the NCAA is impotent now, but they aren't. Until the schools choose a different arrangement, we're at their mercy. This sets us up as a repeat offender, and they are looking for a whipping boy.

Obviously all we can do as fans is let it play out, but don't live in a fantasy land where we beat the NCAA with the help of lawyers and politicians with no collateral damage.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I liked seeing this. Thanks for posting.