Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jackcrevol]

We are fine here. The chancellor is not gonna come out with the statement like that along with several state representatives. If we haven’t known exactly what we’re doing the whole time on top of that you have mars coming out with the statement. the NCAA picked the wrong group to go against.

I agree. They probably told us about this a long time ago. And Donde said, if you release this, and we find no wrong doing...expect us to take this thing the whole way. And you know what. I dont effing blame her. Why us? Cause its easy. Cause theyre lazy. Because others said **** you, and dont care.

 

[Volfan39]

I don't think it's that pessimistic. I think the NCAA leaked this story to Forde after Tennessee didn't lie down and grovel after today's meeting. I don't think they would leak it and risk even further damage to their dwindling reputation if they didn't feel confident in their initial findings. Maybe they are not made public, but I don't remember too many instances of the NCAA's investigations that don't lead to a notice of allegations.

You guys are acting like the NCAA is impotent now, but they aren't. Until the schools choose a different arrangement, we're at their mercy. This sets us up as a repeat offender, and they are looking for a whipping boy.

Obviously all we can do as fans is let it play out, but don't live in a fantasy land where we beat the NCAA with the help of lawyers and politicians with no collateral damage.

The problem is they can’t suspend Nico without prove. Currently they have no prove. They can’t and will not suspend players over just allegations which you are insinuating.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I don't think it's that pessimistic. I think the NCAA leaked this story to Forde after Tennessee didn't lie down and grovel after today's meeting. I don't think they would leak it and risk even further damage to their dwindling reputation if they didn't feel confident in their initial findings. Maybe they are not made public, but I don't remember too many instances of the NCAA's investigations that don't lead to a notice of allegations.

You guys are acting like the NCAA is impotent now, but they aren't. Until the schools choose a different arrangement, we're at their mercy. This sets us up as a repeat offender, and they are looking for a whipping boy.

Obviously all we can do as fans is let it play out, but don't live in a fantasy land where we beat the NCAA with the help of lawyers and politicians with no collateral damage.

Yeah I don’t get the crowd who believes the NCAA doesn’t have any power and can’t do anything. They can still do plenty regardless of what some of our fans want to believe.

 

[Girth Brooks]

His teammates should be on the other end doing rebound drills and layups.

Good to see this level of dedication and maturity after scoring 31 and carrying the team for the last month.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Recruiting is different now. They don't care what the other coaches will say. It's all about the NIL $$$ in most cases.

Eh negative recruiting still matters.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

What’s getting lost in all of this is what it’s doing to Nico’s reputation. I hope they’ve contacted a lawyer, because the second this comes out to be officially about him, I’d sue the NCAA for defamation of character or something along those lines.

 

[TheRain]

 

[Jimmy Football]

I don't think it's that pessimistic. I think the NCAA leaked this story to Forde after Tennessee didn't lie down and grovel after today's meeting. I don't think they would leak it and risk even further damage to their dwindling reputation if they didn't feel confident in their initial findings. Maybe they are not made public, but I don't remember too many instances of the NCAA's investigations that don't lead to a notice of allegations.

You guys are acting like the NCAA is impotent now, but they aren't. Until the schools choose a different arrangement, we're at their mercy. This sets us up as a repeat offender, and they are looking for a whipping boy.

Obviously all we can do as fans is let it play out, but don't live in a fantasy land where we beat the NCAA with the help of lawyers and politicians with no collateral damage.

It is, though. And a lot of what you posted isn’t legally accurate. I didn’t want to call you out on it, but since you called me out, here we are.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

@LA Vol I want the defamation suit filed by lunch tomorrow against the NCAA, Sports Illustrated, and Pat Forde. Go scorched earth on anyone associated with this sh!tshow.

 

[TheRain]

 

[TheRain]

 

[TheRain]

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

Just thought I’d share what’s currently on Nico’s IG story. Dude is basically telling the world, “she got my back.”

 

[Orange_Crush]

My thoughts on the NCAA situation:

While I agree wholeheartedly with Plowman's letter, I'm afraid it's going to make the NCAA dig their heels in deeper. They are so desperate to remain relevant. The problem with all of the "we will sue the crap out of them" talk is the time horizon. They could easily rule Nico ineligible for next season for taking improper benefits and dare Tennessee to continue to play him with the potential of the vacating of wins and no playoff eligibility.

The NCAA has shown that they won't stop until a case has reached the Supreme Court, which takes years generally absent extreme circumstances. As a private organization, the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, even applying laws retrospectively. Even the Tennessee law, if applied strictly, will be litigated throughout 2 or 3 levels of state courts.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out of this is for the NCAA's investigation to determine that UT and Spyre's conduct was above board. I think our best hope is that the investigation and the subsequent appeal process is lengthy and does not conclude until the completion of the 24-25 season.

While it will be the NCAA's death rattle, they can still inflict maximum damage until there's a sea change in college athletics.

The Supreme Court basically told the NCAA, "You'd better not come here again". That's why the NCAA was so derelict on the NIL issue to start with. The last thing they want is more court cases.

If the NCAA rules Nico ineligible, UT gets a court injunction to play him until the case is settled.

And the NCAA doesn't get to conduct themselves any way they see fit just because they are a private org. As soon as that private org's way of conducting themselves unfairly costs UT and/or Nico, it becomes a matter for the courts.

 

[Orangeburst]

NCAA never had the best interests of the student athlete. Just a power wielding bureacracy.
How many times have we waited months for player approval, or be told paperwork wasnt filed properly?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

What’s getting lost in all of this is what it’s doing to Nico’s reputation. I hope they’ve contacted a lawyer, because the second this comes out to be officially about him, I’d sue the NCAA for defamation of character or something along those lines.

That’s something I didn’t even think about.

 

[franklinpence]

Some on here are saying they can’t do that, but from what I’ve read up on it, the absolutely can unless the TN AG steps in. Which he may or he may not. It is an election year and I imagine there will be quite a bit of pressure on politicians to act should it come to this.

AG is not an elected office in TN, but the legislature is in session, so I’m sure they will be on this. And they will undoubtedly encourage and support Gov. Lee and his AG to take action.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Zig, Vesco, and Aidoo need to be out there as well.

 

[DD4ME]

Ok so I missed the game, what was the issue?

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Ok so I missed the game, what was the issue?

Missed layups and point black shots and free throws..in a nut shell..oh and the Pat Adams effect.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

AG is not an elected office in TN, but the legislature is in session, so I’m sure they will be on this. And they will undoubtedly encourage and support Gov. Lee and his AG to take action.

Correct, I was referring to the legislature. Maybe Lundberg will finally do something worthy for a change and use his power on the education committee to go after the NCAA in some capacity. Not sure if that would fall under his domain, but worth looking into.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I totally still think the Vols are capable of a great season and a deep tourney run, but they’ve got to get more consistent.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I’m getting the hint a lawsuit is coming, Mr Winter.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]