Recruiting Football Talk VII

[BigOrangeTrain]

Desperate clients will exhaust every avenue they can to win their case, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if the NCAA asked for certiorari by the Supreme Court.

Also, you act like Tennessee getting an injunction is a slam dunk. I don't think it's going to be that cut and dry.

Being a member school of the NCAA is a voluntary act, and you're agreeing to their governance by joining. If the NCAA has credible evidence of a violation, I'm not sure what type of claim against them UT would have in court, other than an extension of the Alston decision.

Yet again, time is the big issue here. All it takes is 2 or 3 games without Nico before an injunction is granted or under appeal to change the trajectory of the season.

Nico isn’t getting suspended

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

People are dumb..those numbers don't happen often. I have seen the greatest have games like this...it isn't a mystery to me. We are no where near being one of the greatest, so obviously we are gonna have more off nights.

I know one thing

JJJ needs to step up his scoring. Ridiculous he can't provide more offense right now. The dude has only made 5 shots since Ole Piss. He is 5-28 from the floor!...like dude...you are 5th year senior, you can play better than this. Hasn't scored in double figures since Tarelton State. He has to be a dbl figure scorer if we want to make it to thr final 4. We need him and Vescovi to be more consistent.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

JJJ has more blocks tonight than he has had in 6 years. Not sure what was said to him

I mean I am frustrated with his play but I would never tweet anything disparaging towards him. That’s childish.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Desperate clients will exhaust every avenue they can to win their case, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if the NCAA asked for certiorari by the Supreme Court.

Also, you act like Tennessee getting an injunction is a slam dunk. I don't think it's going to be that cut and dry.

Being a member school of the NCAA is a voluntary act, and you're agreeing to their governance by joining. If the NCAA has credible evidence of a violation, I'm not sure what type of claim against them UT would have in court, other than an extension of the Alston decision.

Yet again, time is the big issue here. All it takes is 2 or 3 games without Nico before an injunction is granted or under appeal to change the trajectory of the season.

You're assuming credible evidence. UT Chancellor is claiming that the NCAA is trying to enforce rules after the fact.

If UT broke the rules at the time, then so be it. But you seem to be the only one here willing to assume that, especially considering that the Nico NIL contract was signed while the NCAA was in its post-SCOTUS NIL silent period where they neglected to make rules.

After Nico's contract (perhaps in response to it), they came out with guidelines. Then they started back-washing rules.

 

[VolGee4]

I know one thing

JJJ needs to step up his scoring. Ridiculous he can't provide more offense right now. The dude has only made 5 shots since Ole Piss. He is 5-28 from the floor!...like dude...you are 5th year senior, you can play better than this. Hasn't scored in double figures since Tarelton State. He has to be a dbl figure scorer if we want to make it to thr final 4. We need him and Vescovi to be more consistent.

They’ve taken on new roles though. They just aren’t getting the number of shots that they used to, and that affects your rhythm. He’s only taken 5 shots the last 2 games. Would love to see more from them, but DK and Aidoo are the first two options.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I know one thing

JJJ needs to step up his scoring. Ridiculous he can't provide more offense right now. The dude has only made 5 shots since Ole Piss. He is 5-28 from the floor!...like dude...you are 5th year senior, you can play better than this. Hasn't scored in double figures since Tarelton State. He has to be a dbl figure scorer if we want to make it to thr final 4. We need him and Vescovi to be more consistent.

No doubt. He has regressed badly this year. I think most of us were excited for him coming back. I didn’t expect him to be like DK, but dang I was thinking he could give us maybe 10-12 points a game.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

Tennessee under NCAA investigation for NIL violations

A decent article but doesn’t provide much insight into anything going on.

However, I’m not a legal scholar so any lawyers please enlighten me here. But is this basically presuming guilt until proven otherwise?

 

[Jimmy Football]

Nobody is calling anyone out. I'm just responding to your comment about my pessimism.

I didn't think I had to state this in my post, but all of that is only true under the assumption that the NCAA has findings that they believe violate their rules. The Supreme Court's ruling only limits their ability to restrict players' ability to earn money. They can still govern the relationship between NIL collective and the schools.

Like I said in my first post, I do think Tennessee will ultimately prevail whether it's through the courts or through the diminshing of the NCAA by the Power 5, but what are we going to lose during the process?

I'm not sure which parts of my argument you find legally inaccurate.

One example: you said the NCAA can govern itself in any fashion it wants, which is not true. It’s a non-profit organization whose membership is primarily made up of state institutions. It’s also under heavy anti-trust scrutiny. Its governance is heavily subject to court oversight, not to mention common-law duties any organization is subject to, plus (likely) a lot of contractual obligations.

Look, I agree this situation isn’t good, mostly because I can’t see anything we do not taking a bunch of time. But we don’t need to pretend the AA is still a powerful organization that’s on strong legal footing to act boldly.

 

[tnvols72]

I mean I am frustrated with his play but I would never tweet anything disparaging towards him. That’s childish.

Nor would I. I have never tweeted at a player in any sport

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

People on Twitter think Nico is gonna get taken from us

 

[peaygolf]

Wonder if UNCs fan base is freaking out over losing to a 10-11 Ga Tech team??

 

[Jimmy Football]

Desperate clients will exhaust every avenue they can to win their case, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if the NCAA asked for certiorari by the Supreme Court.

Also, you act like Tennessee getting an injunction is a slam dunk. I don't think it's going to be that cut and dry.

Being a member school of the NCAA is a voluntary act, and you're agreeing to their governance by joining. If the NCAA has credible evidence of a violation, I'm not sure what type of claim against them UT would have in court, other than an extension of the Alston decision.

Yet again, time is the big issue here. All it takes is 2 or 3 games without Nico before an injunction is granted or under appeal to change the trajectory of the season.

The absolute last thing in the universe the NCAA wants to do is get back in front of the Supreme Court of the United States.

 

[clt_tiger]

 

[screenthis]

Nor would I. I have never tweeted at a player in any sport

For the most part, people who do that need to get a life.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Gold

 

[clt_tiger]

I know one thing

JJJ needs to step up his scoring. Ridiculous he can't provide more offense right now. The dude has only made 5 shots since Ole Piss. He is 5-28 from the floor!...like dude...you are 5th year senior, you can play better than this. Hasn't scored in double figures since Tarelton State. He has to be a dbl figure scorer if we want to make it to thr final 4. We need him and Vescovi to be more consistent.

I don’t get it. I watched him live at the UNC game and they couldn’t stop him. It seems to be all mental and him deciding to be aggressive.

 

[BigOrange15]

People on Twitter think Nico is gonna get taken from us

They'd better hope

 

[hotcypress]

You're assuming credible evidence. UT Chancellor is claiming that the NCAA is trying to enforce rules after the fact.

If UT broke the rules at the time, then so be it. But you seem to be the only one here willing to assume that, especially considering that the Nico NIL contract was signed while the NCAA was in its post-SCOTUS NIL silent period where they neglected to make rules.

After Nico's contract (perhaps in response to it), they came out with guidelines. Then they started back-washing rules.

The NCAA believes they can retrospectively enforce their laws, so for them, it doesn't matter when the conduct took place.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I’m a bit shocked how much media support we have.

 

[BigOrange15]

Not surprised one of the final battles for the NCAA's existence is going to come down to them trying to screw Tennessee. Can't wait for their corrupt, bull**** organization to not exist.

 

[BearCat204]

Just saw Plowman's letter. I have absolutely no worry after reading that. Thank God she is at UT.

 

[JacketVol]

This is BS and I hope Plowman and White own these a-holes. That being said, I think we all need to be prepared for what’s most likely going to be the short term response from the NCAA: Nico is ineligible to play pending an investigation. And if that happens, it’s time for the SEC to get involved. Absolutely ridiculous.

We will file suit and he will play. No more playing nice and NCAA will get right or will be disbanded.

 

[RikidyBones]

Had a make up game in the over 30 league tonight. Won 2-1. So there's some good news for the board.

 

[A.J.]

I mean I am frustrated with his play but I would never tweet anything disparaging towards him. That’s childish.

I agree. I hate it when idiot keyboard warriors give our guys a hard time on social media like that. With JJJ being a SC kid, I can guarantee no one wanted this game more than him, and no one is more frustrated than he is with the way the game turned out. I hope he and the team can bounce back Saturday and get a big win at Rupp.

 

[BigOrange15]

If the NCAA gets embarassed and has to back down from this because Tennessee fights back, that's the end right? It will prove once and for all that they are now a toothless, fraud organization in this NIL world.