Recruiting Football Talk VII

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UTProf said:
To look at it from the NCAA side of things.... NIL was never meant to be a part of paying players to play and certainly not meant to be used as a way of getting players to come to your school.

What NIL was for is illustrated well with the Alontae Cookie deal. In that situation, a popular player endorsed a cookie brand and company for pay. Everything about that is perfectly fine and legal and Alontae was profiting off his own NIL value. It's an example of how NIL should've been set up all along. And why the NCAA recent rule change about incoming recruits DOES make sense. Most recruits have no NIL value and don't gain value until after playing. You would have some exceptions to that with celebrity level recruits but overall most are coming in with zero NIL value and will create that value by being a part of the team and university.

Where the NCAA screwed up is they abandoned their post for 3 years. After Alston, they didn't say 'here's how NIL should function' (e.g. the cookie example). No, they said "follow you state's laws on NIL." Schools did just that and now the NCAA is unhappy with the results but they were absolutely 100 percent predictable outcomes that the NCAA had the opportunity to prevent. They ran away to congress and found no shelter there and now they're trying to come home and rule the neighborhood again. The problem comes back to those 3 years of telling everyone to follow state laws. You can't punish that time frame and you can't let things go for 3 years and expect schools to go along with it. An entire NIL industry has been built in the meantime and whatever was intended at the beginning is no longer palatable for the players involved.

The only way for the NCAA to regain control of any of this is by consensus and instead of meeting with UT in December when we requested it, they declined. THAT was their chance to start the process of governing the NIL era through building consensus with those involved in it. The NCAA is acting like an absent father who shows back up after 5 years and expects his kids to listen to every word he says and take it as law. It's not going to happen. And just like with those kids, you weren't there when NIL was growing up and if you want to be involved in it now, you have to earn your way back in.
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Where the NCAA is in trouble is that they are an organization that is colluding to prevent a free market whereby college players can freely negotiate. "From the NCAA side of things...?" "What NIL is for...?" "Consensus?"

That's what they are being sued for. They're really in no position to say what NIL is for. They're really in no position to enforce their side of things in that area. And consensus == collusion == breaking anti-trust laws.

The NCAA can wish and pine for days gone by all they want. The days of them colluding to prevent student athletes from making money are almost over. The reason they abandoned their post for three years is that the SCOTUS warned them that their days are coming to an end, and they were scared to death to open their mouths and end up in front of them again.

Now, apparently enough time has passed that their arrogance has outpaced their memories. Harsh reminders are coming, and it may just be the end of them.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Where the NCAA is in trouble is that they are an organization that is colluding to prevent a free market whereby college players can freely negotiate. "From the NCAA side of things...?" "What NIL is for...?" "Consensus?"

That's what they are being sued for. They're really in no position to say what NIL is for. They're really in no position to enforce their side of things in that area. And consensus == collusion == breaking anti-trust laws.

The NCAA can wish and pine for days gone by all they want. The days of them colluding to prevent student athletes from making money are almost over. The reason they abandoned their post for three years is that the SCOTUS warned them that their days are coming to an end, and they were scared to death to open their mouths and end up in front of them again.

Now, apparently enough time has passed that their arrogance has outpaced their memories. Harsh reminders are coming, and it may just be the end of them.
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Actually they had plenty of right before they ran away. They can't stop NIL, no. But they did have a say in how it worked. Plenty of ways to govern NIL without touching the free market (lol).
 
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rgvol said:
NCAA just pissed their not getting a cut of these Student Athletes money.
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Oh they still are.

Fans are paying for NiL and the unis and ncaa keep making their full March Madness monies as usual.

Until players make off March Madness, the universities won't lose a dime.
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
Some schools won’t join the fight cause they know their “protective shield” is about to disappear.
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Alabama
Georgia
tOSU
Michigan
Notre Dame
Kansas
UNC
Oklahoma
Duke
UConn (?)
Kentucky (?)

These seem to be the teams that get away without any "infractions" or violations. If something does happen to come out, there is never any consequences. I might have missed some but those are the ones that came to mind.

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UTProf said:
Actually they had plenty of right before they ran away. They can't stop NIL, no. But they did have a say in how it worked. Plenty of ways to govern NIL without touching the free market (lol).
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but... How? Without collective bargaining... or without the collusion of the Universities to limit recruits/players from freely negotiating... What are the ways that the NCAA/Universities can limit/govern NIL negotiations without limiting their market to do so?

And what natural right does the NCAA have to do so?

That's like saying that all the employers in a town can agree to limit salary negotiations without touching the employment market.

That's like saying that all the burger joints in the county can collude to limit the minimum price of a burger, but not affect the free market for burgers.
 
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peaygolf said:
Lighter note……imagine hitting driver to a 107 yard par 3 ……

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I played in a tournament back in the late 90’s in the Dallas area. Think it was ‘98 after a long drought and scorching 100+ degree temperatures. The day of the tournament the weather changed. A fine mist periodically, but super strong winds. I blistered a drive dead into the wind and was 50 yards farther than the other 3 in my group. 145 yards to a front pin. I smoked a 4 iron dead into the wind and came up 5 yard short of the hole but still on the green. Birdied it. That was the strongest wind I have ever played in. To put things in context, I hit a 4 iron 190-200 yards back then but only got 140 out of it. Not a miss hit. Old age has since taken a toll on my distances.
 
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Orangeburst said:
How petty and vindictive would an org have to be to feel like they didnt get their pound of flesh the first time, yet on something they handed down? All the while publicly exalting our response.
Just downright pathetic.
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It sounds like they spoke out of one side of their mouths to promote cooperation, then went back on their word and attempted heavy handed penalties, the Tennessee AG got involved and put a stop to the bullying, so they're back in the ring for another swing.
 
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