Recruiting Football Talk VII

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SugarCC said:
I understand that, and very much agree. Take another example then, that doesn't include trying to avoid a buyout.

Take any of the MANY other examples of teams getting bowl bans and scholarship reductions throughout the years. Take 1993 Auburn...they were undefeated, could've played for National Title; but they were on probation, bowl ban. If the NCAA is so toothless, why didn't Auburn tell them to shove it?
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Also, in the early 90s, NCAA was still the primary power in college television rights. Now, the major conferences are the major television right powerhouses, having grown into their own.

It used to be that the NCAA was the only table to buy in at. Now, the major conferences are seriously asking, "What do we need them for?" Conference realignment is only the tip of the iceberg. What happens when the most powerful conferences withdraw and create their own AA?

So, the NCAA eschews fairness to flex their puny muscles, and tells the SEC they're crippling UT. AND they're doing it by enforcing rules that were created after the actions being penalized. AND they are crippling them for NIL collective structures that EVERY SEC school has in effect--i.e. every SEC school is vulnerable to the same thing.

UT says, Nope. SEC says, "You know, it's been fun but me and the BIG and the ACC have been talking over beers... It's not us. It's you. We'll take the primetime slots and you can keep all the teams that are untelevised."
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I don’t know what would happen. I’m not sure if we could get any with it, but I think certain select schools and personalities could.
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If we have the SEC backing, we get away with it. And in this specific case, UT has groundswell of support.

When it comes to the major conferences, the NCAA is like an abusive husband whose spouse has been in counseling and found some self-worth. They're scared to death of losing them.

IMO--All of this conference realignment and growth has had one major goal in mind--separate from the 'AA and take their place.
 
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UTProf said:
He's right about the approach. The NCAA should've said, "ok, we didn't have rules at the beginning but we're going to establish them now. Let's talk." For the life of me, I can't figure out why they're taking the approach that they are. It's like the NCAA wants to destroy itself. Even as bad as it is right now they could likely salvage the situation if they were willing to take a different approach. But they've proven time and again that they won't.

It's as though they have an institutional death wish.
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Arrogance.
 
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SugarCC said:
We are literally fighting for our lives now; that's not hyperbole. If they win, and are allowed to hit us with a LOIC...while I don't believe they'll death penalty anyone else ever again, the sanctions that will be levied against us will cripple us for a decade or longer. Loss of more scholarships, bowl bans, and ineligibility from playoff. No one will want to play for us. We will be screwed.

As you said, it is us or them.
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You cannot be serious with this.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If we have the SEC backing, we get away with it. And in this specific case, UT has groundswell of support.

When it comes to the major conferences, the NCAA is like an abusive husband whose spouse has been in counseling and found some self-worth. They're scared to death of losing them.

IMO--All of this conference realignment and growth has had one major goal in mind--separate from the 'AA and take their place.
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Maybe. It’s interesting to think about because it’s uncharted territory.

Personally, though, I think a lot of this dies down significantly if we get the TRO and/or preliminary injunction. I think at that point the conversation will shift from “what’s gonna happen to Tennessee?” to “what is the path forward for major college sports?”.
 
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vol94 said:
What do donors receive? I never joined n past b/c I spend so much $$$ on tickets, weekend costs to and from games etc. Plus two kids in college (one at UT and one @ MS State). But I may join if it’s minimal.
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You can get in for as low as 25 month or 300 annual. Or you can buy merchandise.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
Ulysees is a good guy, he just likes to 💩 on people. Don’t take it too personally, I was a victim once as well. There are a few others on here who are actually straight up dumb🫏es that I’d recommend putting on ignore as all they’re really doing is causing trees to work extra hard.
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Can’t believe McGill is falling for your 💩
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Maybe. It’s interesting to think about because it’s uncharted territory.

Personally, though, I think a lot of this dies down significantly if we get the TRO and/or preliminary injunction. I think at that point the conversation will shift from “what’s gonna happen to Tennessee?” to “what is the path forward for major college sports?”.
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Of course it will. The question was if UT loses that and the NCAA tries to levy.
 
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Is it possible that conferences are looking around and seeing the mess the NCAA created via poor management and leadership. Their overreaction and inability to evenly apply sanctions and rules and decide they can come up with better?

Would it come down to a vote of no confidence?

Would a model of a scholarship reduction and heavy fines be a better choice of consequence similar to the NFL model? Maybe even a fine for the associated conference as well to provide incentive to police their own.

So many things to unpack and figure out in three long term, I just think it's a given the NCAA doesn't hold together more than a couple more years.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I don’t know if it has been discussed here but Adam Sparks was on Basilio yesterday. He said that we shouldn’t be surprised if we wake up and find that the NCAA has suspended Nico. It will likely be their next move. Then he said that we shouldn’t be surprised to see Tennessee give them the double Gaulden’s and play him anyway.
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I posted earlier that is exactly what we would do. Also, we need to get the injunction on the 6th.
 
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KB5252 said:
Is it possible that conferences are looking around and seeing the mess the NCAA created via poor management and leadership. Their overreaction and inability to evenly apply sanctions and rules and decide they can come up with better?

Would it come down to a vote of no confidence?

Would a model of a scholarship reduction and heavy fines be a better choice of consequence similar to the NFL model? Maybe even a fine for the associated conference as well to provide incentive to police their own.

So many things to unpack and figure out in three long term, I just think it's a given the NCAA doesn't hold together more than a couple more years.
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The NCAA is an AA made up of member institutions. No vote. Just Uni withdrawals. Meet up and start something different.
 
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