Recruiting Football Talk VII

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Weezer?

Apparently there was a Waffle House in the Urals at that time which was later demolished to prevent future attacks by @Weezer

 

[Orange_Crush]

This. How we’ve come out swinging, if anyone thinks we lose this that that means the NCAA is just going to slap a few penalties on us, is straight up laughable. We’ve called out their BS in the most public of ways and they aren’t going to take that likely. Hence, we need to all hope this goes our way, which most legal scholars I’ve read up on seem to think it will, so there’s hope! A new day is coming, and it’s lead by a bright orange sun!

AAMOF, I worry that we'll get lopsided officiating like never before, just as reprisal.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Pat Forde being used as a tool really grings my ears..

just gonna leave it.

If the ncaa isn’t supposed to talk about investigations then how did he find out?
I would subpoena his ass and any in the media who leaked this information. I would paint the ncaa as not following their own rules.
Put Donde on The View.
DW on the Tonight Show with CJH, CRB, and CTV.

Have the ncaa be tried in the court of public opinion long before the actual court case occurs.

Winston Churchill their ass.
Paint them as an evil empire with no scruples nor regards for their member institutions.

Fight them on every front with every possible weapon at our disposal.

Leave them whimpering in their command bunker in Indianapolis. Have the state of Indiana revoke their right to have offices there. Then no other state would allow them to set up shop…business without a country.

 

[BigSteve09]

Recruiting, re-recruiting, and everything else. Huge paychecks make a lot of things palatable, but I bet some it is annoying as heck.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If the ncaa isn’t supposed to talk about investigations then how did he find out?
I would subpoena his ass and any in the media who leaked this information. I would paint the ncaa as not following their own rules.
Put Donde on The View.
DW on the Tonight Show with CJH, CRB, and CTV.

Have the ncaa be tried in the court of public opinion long before the actual court case occurs.

Winston Churchill their ass.
Paint them as an evil empire with no scruples nor regards for their member institutions.

Fight them on every front with every possible weapon at our disposal.

Leave them whimpering in their command bunker in Indianapolis. Have the state of Indiana revoke their right to have offices there. Then no other state would allow them to set up shop…business without a country.

Have you gotten to Danny's tweet yet?

 

[BigSteve09]

Saw some confusion last night about term moran. I appreciate those of you that stood up for the morans like me. The simple folks like me that chew on erasers while posting on this lovely site.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

People wont want to hear this, but the NCAA argument has merit.

Issue I have, as I understand it. Is that punishing years after the fact, in hindsight is completely illogical. Decrying 'Tennessee is guilty of doing X, Y, Z that's been illegal the whole time,' is silly.

We already passed that bridge. And that's not what its about. Its about a weak ineffective entity trying to make an example out of us. They want to double back across the bridge.

It dont work that way. Could easily answer our call and work it out. They chose pain.

What argument do you think specifically has merit?

I still struggle to see where they have any thing other than think they can retroactively apply the “booster entity” to Spyre’s actions back when there weren’t any NIL laws.. or at least not any clear ones. DW said they let the NCAA pour over thousands of e-mail/phone records and came away with nothing. This feels more like a witch hunt to me than them having anything that has merit, JMO. We will see what they make up when they bring forward the notice of allegations.

 

[LA Vol]

What the hell are you telling me to relax for?...what I said is the absolute truth....IF...we lose this fight, we are going to get destroyed.

That is the truth...just because nobody wants to hear it, doesn't make it any less true.

We have no choice...the NCAA backed us into a corner, so we have to fight this out now because we are screwed whether we fight or not..but...there is a possibility that this doesn't go the way we think and hope it does...but we have to fight this out now because the only way for us to not be destroyed is to fight and win.

UT is not going to get destroyed. But it is a distraction we don't need and it is adding an extra layer to recruiting. Coaches are having to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about infractions and keeping players and recruits looped in when they need and want to be focused on the team.

Investigations are always a concern because they create uncertainty, which diverts focus and mental energy from other activities. You're right-- the NCAA engaged, so we have to fight. It puts a burden on those who don't deserve it, but knowing leadership has their back is reassuring. it's unfinished business, and we have to finish it to move forward.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

What argument do you think specifically has merit?

I still struggle to see where they have any thing other than think they can retroactively apply the “booster entity” to Spyre’s actions back when there weren’t any NIL laws.. or at least not any clear ones. DW said they let the NCAA pour over thousands of e-mail/phone records and came away with nothing. This feels more like a witch hunt to me than them having anything that has merit, JMO. We will see what they make up when they bring forward the notice of allegations.

The only thing the ncaa thinks they have is their definition of a “Booster” and applying it to Spyre who has no affiliation to the University, not sure how they can argue that in court but they will try I guess lol

 

[volsnvikes]

But the NCAA hasn't done any of that, officially. It's all just a leaked story from a reporter.

(Not a lawyer, but I loved LA LAW)

The Alston case that went to the Supreme Court was about the NCAA not allowing student athletes to make money off their Name Image or Likeness. Basically Alston charged that it was against the constitution for the NCAA to restrict an American from earning money based on their own merits. If someone wants to put Reggie Bush in a Nike add when in college, Reggie should be allowed to do it and be paid a fair market rate for his celebrity. Alston won that case 9-0 at the Supreme Court level. That's a very rare slam dunk because most defendants settle cases long before they get to the Supreme Court when a 9-0 looks to be possible. The NCAA could have established NIL rules before then and settled the case long before it got to that point and there would not have been a "wild west" NIL landscape. Instead the NCAA pretended they were righteous and would never allow athletes to get compensation for NIL.

The TN/VA Vs. NCAA case has nothing to do with Nico or the latest threat of a UT violation.

The TN/VA Vs. NCAA case is focused on the new rules established by the NCAA that allow for NIL compensation while you are a player at a member school, but restrict your ability to discuss NIL opportunity before you sign with a school. The plaintiff's position is that any student athlete is harmed by this rule by restricting their rights (already established by the Alston decision) to maximize their NIL opportunities. The Jackson Lampley affidavit is needed to establish who is being harmed by the NCAA's rules.

If TN/VA win their case (or get an injunction against the NCAA's rules that restrict NIL), then the Nico threat goes away. It would also allow any school to start discussing NIL opportunities with recruits (transfer or HS).

If the NCAA wins or at least defends against an injunction, the Nico threat continues.

The next step could be some other suit brought by Nico, UTK, Spyre, SEC, etc. That would be a fight against the specific allegations against UTK and whether or not they actually broke any of the NCAA's rules/guidance.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Football commitments are irrelevant here. We know commitment one day de-commitment the next day. It's signing that really matters here. He inked his deal with Spyre months ahead of signing. He had zero obligation to sign with Tennessee. He could have signed with any school and it not have affected his contract with Spyre. I remember Ewers signing a big NIL deal and attended OSU. Nothing was said because it was independent of his signing with OSU. Difference is they are part of the "protected class". I really don't think the NCAA has a leg to stand on. JMO.

OK….so has a Spyre client signed with anyone other than UT? Sorry if already answered.

 

[peaygolf]

The only thing the ncaa thinks they have is their definition of a “Booster” and applying it to Spyre who has no affiliation to the University, not sure how they can argue that in court but they will try I guess lol

Officially maybe. But we ALL know.
Spyre wasn't flying Nico to Tuscaloosa or Columbus.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

How so? We were recruiting Ffrench before the news broke

Idiots here are going to blame our staff if or when recruiting goes in the toilet thanks to all this stupid .

This all sucks...why are we having to take all the blows and damage to fight everybody else's battle? What will probably happen is we will "win"...but get so scarred up in the process that all the other schools will be the ones to actually reap the spoils of that victory.

I hate every other school and state right now...except for Virginia...bless them for standing up to fight with us.

Every other state and school with NIL involved should be lining up shoulder to shoulder with us...but so far it looks like they are going to stand by and lick their chops, and negatively recruit against us.

 

[screenthis]

Understandably, the NCAA is sucking all the oxygen out of this room. But, how about Kellie Harper? We still gonna fahr her? Not a bad record in the SEC.

 

[jordan4vols]

@LA Vol I know they have too much pride to do so but wouldn’t the best bet for the NCAA here be to say since everything with Nico was done with Spyre, UT is fine and back off enough to then put in some universal rules for everyone so that they maintain “control”?

The contrast is they likely lose the court battle and lose all control.

Seems a weird hill to die on.

 

[orange parmejohn]

UT is not going to get destroyed. But it is a distraction we don't need and it is adding an extra layer to recruiting. Coaches are having to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about infractions and keeping players and recruits looped in when they need and want to be focused on the team.

Investigations are always a concern because they create uncertainty, which diverts focus and mental energy from other activities. You're right-- the NCAA engaged, so we have to fight. It puts a burden on those who don't deserve it, but knowing leadership has their back is reassuring. it's unfinished business, and we have to finish it to move forward.

I read you earlier post about Sankey being silent, but do you think he will actively support Tennessee in this process, or is he going to stand by with a bag of popcorn and watch?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

NCAA is facing a hydra-- many heads and they'll keep coming.

UTK has not sued anybody. Spyre hasn't sued anybody.

This case was filed by the State of Tennessee and the Commonwealth of Virginia. But UT, players, boosters, collectives and other universities are all out there, waiting. The stakes are high, and there are many attorneys ready to make it rain. Your move, NCAA.

I wish they would hurry...the sooner they all jump in, the better for the Tennessee Volunteers.

 

[eVOLve]

I will say it’s pretty impressive that 3 of the 4 finalists that year are hall of famers and some of the best ever to play their positions

Okay.. usually are as of late

 

[Jackcrevol]

What argument do you think specifically has merit?

I still struggle to see where they have any thing other than think they can retroactively apply the “booster entity” to Spyre’s actions back when there weren’t any NIL laws.. or at least not any clear ones. DW said they let the NCAA pour over thousands of e-mail/phone records and came away with nothing. This feels more like a witch hunt to me than them having anything that has merit, JMO. We will see what they make up when they bring forward the notice of allegations.

Bradah, Ive run out of real estate to discuss.

If you have time, feel free to search for our discussion, and rantings.

 

[eVOLve]

How so? We were recruiting Ffrench before the news broke

Just an opinion.

 

[Jackcrevol]

NCAA is facing a hydra-- many heads and they'll keep coming.

UTK has not sued anybody. Spyre hasn't sued anybody.

This case was filed by the State of Tennessee and the Commonwealth of Virginia. But UT, players, boosters, collectives and other universities are all out there, waiting. The stakes are high, and there are many attorneys ready to make it rain. Your move, NCAA.

twss ...

 

[eVOLve]

AAMOF, I worry that we'll get lopsided officiating like never before, just as reprisal.

Or it could be less lopsided if they have their tails tucked

 

[lilesrt]

I love our leadership!

 

[GoodTimeVol]

(Not a lawyer, but I loved LA LAW)

The Alston case that went to the Supreme Court was about the NCAA not allowing student athletes to make money off their Name Image or Likeness. Basically Alston charged that it was against the constitution for the NCAA to restrict an American from earning money based on their own merits. If someone wants to put Reggie Bush in a Nike add when in college, Reggie should be allowed to do it and be paid a fair market rate for his celebrity. Alston won that case 9-0 at the Supreme Court level. That's a very rare slam dunk because most defendants settle cases long before they get to the Supreme Court when a 9-0 looks to be possible. The NCAA could have established NIL rules before then and settled the case long before it got to that point and there would not have been a "wild west" NIL landscape. Instead the NCAA pretended they were righteous and would never allow athletes to get compensation for NIL.

The TN/VA Vs. NCAA case has nothing to do with Nico or the latest threat of a UT violation.

The TN/VA Vs. NCAA case is focused on the new rules established by the NCAA that allow for NIL compensation while you are a player at a member school, but restrict your ability to discuss NIL opportunity before you sign with a school. The plaintiff's position is that any student athlete is harmed by this rule by restricting their rights (already established by the Alston decision) to maximize their NIL opportunities. The Jackson Lampley affidavit is needed to establish who is being harmed by the NCAA's rules.

If TN/VA win their case (or get an injunction against the NCAA's rules that restrict NIL), then the Nico threat goes away. It would also allow any school to start discussing NIL opportunities with recruits (transfer or HS).

If the NCAA wins or at least defends against an injunction, the Nico threat continues.

The next step could be some other suit brought by Nico, UTK, Spyre, SEC, etc. That would be a fight against the specific allegations against UTK and whether or not they actually broke any of the NCAA's rules/guidance.

That happens if/when the ncaa give us their notice, and it’ll happen quick. This will all be played out in court and ncaa wont have a say until after the court hears from both sides jmo

 

[eVOLve]

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Red skull.. keeper of the death cliff