Recruiting Football Talk VII

[TN-POSSUM]

hum.............

Eric Musselman walking into the locker room....

 

[butchna]

I agree like I said “Joe Milton isn’t good” but the senior bowl shouldn’t be the determining factor for that thought…

I’m sure they’ll utilize all the standard factors. I expect his rough patch will be the chalkboard interview…heard that was a big part of Tyler Bray going undrafted.

 

[Devo182]

If you equate HC salaries to program revenue and compare it versus a free(r) market such as the NFL, Nick Saban would have made just over $1mm/year.

The other $9mm would have gone to players.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If you equate HC salaries to program revenue and track it to a free(r) market such as the NFL, Nick Saban would have made just over $1mm/year.

The other $9mm would have gone to players.

Coaching in college is NOTHING like the NFL...period. CFB is HC driven.

 

[VolNash17]

looking at the Allen Fieldhouse atmosphere I wish we could do something like that with TBA. Worlds apart in crowd activity

 

[butchna]

Joe is what....23-24 years old, it is what it is at this point.

Was always annoying with Sheriron Jones. People thinking a “good” athlete who’s spent his whole development playing QB can flip a switch and outperform similar or better athletes who’ve spent th same time perfecting receiving skills. Totally disregarding successful stories like Antwaan Randle-El and (to a lesser extent) Terrelle Pryor were a level above as athletes.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Joe is what....23-24 years old, it is what it is at this point.

Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of if he had started playing football as a TE, not a switch positions now thing.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I’m sure they’ll utilize all the standard factors. I expect his rough patch will be the chalkboard interview…heard that was a big part of Tyler Bray going undrafted.

I don't think stupidity is Joe's problem...he will probably do well in a classroom setting.

IMO..his problem is processing information quickly under pressure...that doesn't mean he is a low IQ dumbass like Bray.

 

[tn4elvis]

I don't think stupidity is Joe's problem...he will probably do well in a classroom setting.

IMO..his problem is processing information quickly under pressure...that doesn't mean he is a low IQ dumbass like Bray.

You are 100% correct about Joe processing slowly. Plus our receivers didn’t help him a lot either.

 

[Devo182]

Coaching in college is NOTHING like the NFL...period. CFB is HC driven.

Then double it if you like. A whopping 100% increase. So college HCs are worth twice as much as NFL coaches (relative). Still 2mm vs 8mm.

Ofc even this is a tough argument. Who wins in the NFL...? The teams are full of parity. So wouldn't coaching have a bigger impact on gameday? Who wins it all in CFB? The teams that have the best players usually - the top 10 most talented teams have won it every season for decades. Do the HCs have an impact on this? Sure they do, to a degree, though brand names far more - nobody, and I mean nobody, can recruit top 10 rosters at Missouri - while a donut could recruit top 10 rosters to Alabama...so the HC is just a portion of that. Same as in NFL roster management - important aspect of any NFL HC's job.

But I digress. The inequity is just that huge, the argument still holds even at valuations of 200%...300% of NFL coaches. And that's absurd territory.

Of course we'd only truly find out with a free market first...point is clearly college HCs make far more than they would in a free market where players are paid.

In the NFL, the players make 20-30x that of their HC.....

 

[Orange_Crush]

I am about a inch from saying screw it all...nobody gives a crap about fans...period. None of these bastards on any side would get if it wasn't for us.

What is the dang point of it all? What is the point when you NEVER get a fair deal? I am pretty much sick of it all.

Not trying to be argumentative, but what fair deal are we not getting?

And should we look at that same question from the players' perspective? Is it fair for a group of rich television execs and universities to get rich while the universities conspire to artificially fix a free marker to disallow the athletes getting a piece of the pie?

Was it fair when that same collusion told the athletes they couldn't profit off of their inherent right to NIL (while the NCAA made millions off of their NIL via NCAA video games, until a student sued them over it)?

 

[jakez4ut]

damn. Looks good. He's gonna get drafted.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Losers.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I am about a inch from saying screw it all...nobody gives a crap about fans...period. None of these bastards on any side would get if it wasn't for us.

What is the dang point of it all? What is the point when you NEVER get a fair deal? I am pretty much sick of it all.

Also, the other side of that "us fans are important" perspective is, you'd have no NCAA football to watch and love without the athletes in the weight rooms, film rooms, practice fields, game days...

No offense, but you're taking a pretty selfish perspective in an effort to point out how selfish everyone else is.

 

[WesTnVol]

So your response is “Because I said so”
They‘ve lost their minds
NCAA is not looking good here

 

[Orange_Crush]

Losers.

This is an anti-trust suit, right? So, in response to anti-trust collusion charges, they reference the collusion...

That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

Losers.

Lol so the NCAA’s argument is high schoolers should not be allowed to make money before college

 

[Orange_Crush]

So your response is “Because I said so”
They‘ve lost their minds
NCAA is not looking good here

This is an anti-trust suit, right? So, in response to anti-trust collusion charges, they reference the collusion...

That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

It's worse than that. This is jaw-dropping.

Anti-trust law is largely concerned with collusion to limit otherwise free markets. They literally defended themselves by reiterating the AGs' accusation.

It'l like they are shorting themselves in the stock market. They must want to lose.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Using Bama's Bryce Young as example of right way to do it....lmaoooo

 

[Volfan39]

Using Bama's Bryce Young as example of right way to do it....lmaoooo

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He didn’t get nil when he first got there because it wasnt ****ing legal. It’s not hard to understand

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not trying to be argumentative, but what fair deal are we not getting?

And should we look at that same question from the players' perspective? Is it fair for a group of rich television execs and universities to get rich while the universities conspire to artificially fix a free marker to disallow the athletes getting a piece of the pie?

Was it fair when that same collusion told the athletes they couldn't profit off of their inherent right to NIL (while the NCAA made millions off of their NIL via NCAA video games, until a student sued them over it)?

I'm done...**** it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Also, the other side of that "us fans are important" perspective is, you'd have no NCAA football to watch and love without the athletes in the weight rooms, film rooms, practice fields, game days...

No offense, but you're taking a pretty selfish perspective in an effort to point out how selfish everyone else is.

it

 

[TheMookieMonster]

This sounds like a whole bunch of BS they just made up to try and save face.

 

[Devo182]

Also, the other side of that "us fans are important" perspective is, you'd have no NCAA football to watch and love without the athletes in the weight rooms, film rooms, practice fields, game days...

No offense, but you're taking a pretty selfish perspective in an effort to point out how selfish everyone else is.

Nah, I'm sure Mcgill is at the intramural games every week. The flag football games are full of talented freaks...

It's similar to folks wondering why women athletes don't make the same as men. Because it isn't as interesting to most people, the talent and athleticism just isn't the same.

The players do...actually...matter. And according to every free market sport...they matter A LOT more than anyone else in their organization.

That all said - I do agree the fans are getting screwed over by the NIL scheme. The fans are essentially paying players in lieu of what the universities should be doing themselves. And that also comes back to admin and coaches. They're the ones that would take a pay cut, and rightfully so. They're on the hook of this scheme as much as anyone. Like it or not.

 

[VolGee4]

Using Bama's Bryce Young as example of right way to do it....lmaoooo

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Bryce Young only got NIL after he arrived because he arrived before the Alston decision. That’s a terrible example.