Recruiting Football Talk VII

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LA Vol said:
The delay is not surprising because of the widespread impact of this case. If the injunction is granted, other states benefit. If the judge limits injunctive relief to TN and VA, other states likely will rush to file similar suits. The NCAA will be papered. It will bury them.

The delay can be viewed as favorable: 1) it gives the judge more time to consider the arguments and find the sufficiency of evidence to grant an injunction or 2) it gives the judge more time to include language that will convince the NCAA to stand down and not issue an NOA to UT. This could either stall the investigation indefinitely or open discussions on minor violations that would not carry harsh sanctions for UT. Strong language could prevent or mitigate harmful action without a court order.
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Given UT's fundamental opposition to the charges, would they be open to negotiations of more minor infractions, even for the sake of expediency? What kind of violations would those be? Would that just create a public impression of UT using its strength to get away with something, rather than being on the right side of the argument?

Edit: Just realized that might have sounded argumentative. Was not intended to be, just genuine questions.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
123.4 million viewers for SuperBowl 👀
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Just another 1.4 billion viewers to reach the World Cup final...almost there!


But seriously - that's a strong number. Iirc Mich v Washington was in the mid 20s, also very good. Up like 45% from the UGA title game. It's almost like it's good when folks from all over the country are actually interested and it's not the usual Sankey Sirclejerk 🤔
 
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Orange. said:
A previous article mentioned this (also almost no detail) as "negotiating" vs "discussing." [italics added]

The only thing new here afaik is this:

The only such websites I am aware of are generally derided by people who follow recruiting as "worthless," and when something appears maybe to be plausible it also appears to have used a figure leaked from negotiations.
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Did they really just point at On3’s mostly bogus NIL value on their recruiting website as a way to say student athletes don’t need a reason to talk to NIL collectives because it’s all right there on the website … ??

Yikes 😂
 
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pismonque said:
Given UT's fundamental opposition to the charges, would they be open to negotiations of more minor infractions, even for the sake of expediency? What kind of violations would those be? Would that just create a public impression of UT using its strength to get away with something, rather than being on the right side of the argument?

Edit: Just realized that might have sounded argumentative. Was not intended to be, just genuine questions.
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I don't think so at this point. We self-imposed punishment on ourselves for the Cornbread fiasco, but they have been metilculous and vigilant since then to over report and avoid even minor infractions. To cop to lesser infractions at this point would be acknowledging that the NCAA can just walk onto to the UT campus anytime they want and bend us over. Previous admins may have allowed this, but I don't think Danny White, Donde Plowman, and the others in charge are interested in being the NCAA's little biatches anymore.
 
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Orange. said:
A previous article mentioned this (also almost no detail) as "negotiating" vs "discussing." [italics added]

The only thing new here afaik is this:

The only such websites I am aware of are generally derided by people who follow recruiting as "worthless," and when something appears maybe to be plausible it also appears to have used a figure leaked from negotiations.
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And it's irrelevant, even if the websites were right on.

Negotiations are about leverage. The athlete has leverage when he/she can walk away and go else where. You give that leverage away when you tie yourself to a school/market. Once you've signed on the line, they offer you 1/2 what you expected. Your only recourse is, "But the website said..."
 
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pismonque said:
Given UT's fundamental opposition to the charges, would they be open to negotiations of more minor infractions, even for the sake of expediency? What kind of violations would those be? Would that just create a public impression of UT using its strength to get away with something, rather than being on the right side of the argument?
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Every program at every university has minor violations. This can be as insignificant as a clerical error or a mistake made by an intern or junior staffer. Schools routinely self-impose, and UT has done this for every program. UT is disputing major violations and LOIC, reiterating that the university's very thorough internal investigation uncovered no major infractions. So UT does feel it's on the right side of the argument.

Edit: I'm referring to infractions not accounted for in the prior investigation, which ended last summer.
 
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Devo182 said:
Just another 1.4 billion viewers to reach the World Cup final...almost there!


But seriously - that's a strong number. Iirc Mich v Washington was in the mid 20s, also very good. Up like 45% from the UGA title game. It's almost like it's good when folks from all over the country are actually interested and it's not the usual Sankey Sirclejerk 🤔
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Different pools. One watching on 4K in their living room vs 100 huddled around the village black&white with rabbit ears. One with varying stages of disposable income vs 100 hoping for a grain shipment. One viewing a commercial that cost $7 mil for 30 seconds vs…?
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Wow it's almost like I DIDNT DEFEND IT

Just called it not that big of a deal WHICH IT ISNT unless you want to pearl clutch. Him freaking out and bumping him doesn't mean he's a bad person. Context and perspective exists. It's just easier for people give themselves a pat on the back because they're so perfect.

What about all the horrible things coaches and players have said to each other in the history of football? This one stands out because he accidentally bumped him??? Get freaking real people.

What about the fact that he apologized to Reid and Reid is cool about it? It's clearly NOT a big deal if the two people involved are less upset about it than Joe Schmo.
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Pointing out bad behavior != claims to perfection.

Pointing out others' bad behavior doesn't exonerate the example in question.

Apologizing for a lack of self control does not then exonerate the lack of self control.

Forgiving the lack of self control does not exonerate the lack of self control.

(If you need proof of the concept painted by the last two points, imagine you have a daughter whose husband loses his **** and slaps her every so often. He always apologizes, and she always forgives. Are the slaps exonerated, or is he still lacking in self control and someone you try to get your daughter away from?)

What's interesting is that a young, huge, armored athlete made an ass of himself on TV in front of millions, chest-bumping and screaming in the face of his senior citizen boss, and your reflex seems to be repeatedly vilifying the folks that say, "That's not OK, guys."
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I don’t know, but it’s an interesting thing to put on the record.

Bad look to say that in court and then go forward with an NOA a few weeks later.
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They could be that oblivious. But what the NCAA would be willing to do and what the NCAA's counsel is emphatically advising them not to do are likely two very different things.
 
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