Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Adam Sandler]

Yay/Nay?

Nay. But might be on Nov 18 if we run the table before then.

I have also heard that neyland acoustics will never allow the place to get that loud. Who knows.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I hope you bet your life savings and lose all of it you insufferable troll.

I could never bet against the Vols...no matter how sure I am of a loss. It would feel like blood money to me.

 

[Jack Burton]

Updates from Rappin’ Andy:

Outside Gate 21 he asked the players how they felt and they said, “They Hungry”.

On Joe being injured: He seen Joe Milton signing autographs and smiling.

South Carolina diss rap almost finished.

The Swamp was loud. Andy parked at the lake about 35 minutes away from the stadium, and some old Florida man offered him food.

Andy getting in the studio soon. Got some big plans.

 

[jave36]

Shifting the goal post a bit, other than Dilfer every one of the mentioned QBs were great at the time their teams won rings. Peyton’s single greatest season happened while in Denver as well.

I don’t think anyone is saying an elite QB is all you need, but the NFL is full of the best of the best. The single biggest separation though happens at QB, mostly because it’s the only position where you’re the guy exclusively series to series. OL, RB, WR, & TE all work rotations and get plays off.

I don't think I ever said a scrub QB could win, so the goalposts are unmoved. How many first round QB picks have failed? You really think ALL of them were bad, or was it maybe that their GM incorrectly believed a great QB could carry a bad team?

Those qb were not ever great (except manning of course, but I don't think even the most biased Tennessee fan would credit Manning more than the rest of the team for that Denver win), they looked great because of the team around them. We all saw how different they looked once the team around them wasn't as good. You think they just got bad all of a sudden? You think Wilson and Dilfer and Flacco and Foles forgot how to play QB? They didn't change, the team around them did.

 

[Orange.]

Board got sorta negative this weekend. I needed to see the highlights to clear my head. Fun!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Bama and usc and Colorado have mobile QBs, so that's especially surprising.

Sanders sits at -93 rushing yards on the season and leads the team in attempts, granted they count sacks as rushing attempts for the QB in college. But I'm not sure many folks would call him a mobile QB really. At this point Colorado looks like the old Hawaii and Air Raid teams of old. Very one dimensional and Oregon is the best PAC-12 defense against the pass. UCLA, USC, Utah, and Arizona are the rest of the PAC-12 teams that makeup their top 5 pass defenses, going to be interesting to see how Colorado matches up against them.

Bama & USC are very surprising though.

 

[Ten_Titans]

More than anything, I want to see us get off the field on 3rd downs this week. It's comical how bad we have been. 3rd and long seems to be automatic for our opponents this year and its incredibly frustrating.

It seems like the third down defense is the result of always playing zone on third and long.

It feels like the DBs have no sense of how to play the sticks on third down, and they really haven't since Willie/Banks have been here.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Well... I guess by that logic...our rushing offense is trash...also our rush defense in trash also

How did both of those look against the one decent team we have played...I'll answer truthfully because you won't...both stunk.

 

[jave36]

Sanders sits at -93 rushing yards on the season and leads the team in attempts, granted they count sacks as rushing attempts for the QB in college. But I'm not sure many folks would call him a mobile QB really. At this point Colorado looks like the old Hawaii and Air Raid teams of old. Very one dimensional and Oregon is the best PAC-12 defense against the pass. UCLA, USC, Utah, and Arizona are the rest of the PAC-12 teams that makeup their top 5 pass defenses, going to be interesting to see how Colorado matches up against them.

Bama & USC are very surprising though.

Admittedly I haven't watched much of Colorado, but I've seen a few highlights of him running around making people miss, so I assumed he wasn't a statue. You're right they don't seem to run much though, now that I'm looking at stats.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

How did both of those look against the one decent team we have played...I'll answer truthfully because you won't...both stunk.

In the second quarter.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Ours don't count and neither does South Carolina!

We are doomed! 5-7

 

[MarcoVol]

They struggled on DEFENSE at home...in case you haven't noticed our offense is 1 dimensional and not great against the one ok defense we have played at that 1 dimension.

IF we win, it will be because Milton played the game of his life and our crowd, and of they score a couple easy ones early...the crowd won't matter a lick..

We never stopped Rattler just year...what makes you think we can hold him to 40 points below what they scored last year?

Bc last year and this year are 2 different years

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I don't think I ever said a scrub QB could win, so the goalposts are unmoved. How many first round QB picks have failed? You really think ALL of them were bad, or was it maybe that their GM incorrectly believed a great QB could carry a bad team?

Those qb were not ever great (except manning of course, but I don't think even the most biased Tennessee fan would credit Manning more than the rest of the team for that Denver win), they looked great because of the team around them. We all saw how different they looked once the team around them wasn't as good. You think they just got bad all of a sudden? You think Wilson and Dilfer and Flacco and Foles forgot how to play QB? They didn't change, the team around them did.

Bold = more goal post moving, some of the great QBs of all-time weren't first round QB picks so it's a deviation from the discussion to bring draft order up at all. You're deflecting.

You went from "great QB" to "elite" which was the moving. Not many NFL teams have elite QBs each season and there have been examples of great QBs with better teams beating elite QBs in the SB. (Eli vs Brady for example).

Just not sure what you're really trying to say. An elite OL will cost you a lot more cap cost than an elite QB, that's the difference in paying 5 vs 1 and the elite OL can't make a bad QB better, but a great QB will make an average OL better.

But in the 50+ SB wins very few have been elite teams with average QBs. Nothing about stating that objective information should really be an arguing point. Your opinion just isn't objectively supported in this specific case. But none of the SB winning teams were really what most would consider "bad teams" so it's not that you're wrong either.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[csprig9]

Ours don't count and neither does South Carolina!

We are doomed! 5-7

While they do matter the only team we played with a pulse ran for almost 200 against us

Offense needs to win us games again bc even in year 3 our defense is terrible

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Admittedly I haven't watched much of Colorado, but I've seen a few highlights of him running around making people miss, so I assumed he wasn't a statue. You're right they don't seem to run much though, now that I'm looking at stats.

Colorado is a one trick pony big time, great passing attack ONLY.

Defense is awful and bottom of PAC-12 in both passing and rushing. They are the 2nd worst running team in all of college football, only Sam Houston has less rushing yards per game and that's a bit skewed since they've only played 3 games and their offense reached 60 plays only once against BYU to open the season.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Bit of fool's gold... we've played VA (114 of 133 in total offensive yards), Austin Peay (FCS), and UTSA (119 of 133 in total offensive yards)... and even Florida is just average at 78 of 133 in total offensive yards

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Updates from Rappin’ Andy:

Outside Gate 21 he asked the players how they felt and they said, “They Hungry”.

On Joe being injured: He seen Joe Milton signing autographs and smiling.

South Carolina diss rap almost finished.

The Swamp was loud. Andy parked at the lake about 35 minutes away from the stadium, and some old Florida man offered him food.

Andy getting in the studio soon. Got some big plans.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

The defense hasn’t been as bad as people have made it seem, but to be fair these numbers do not account for competition. We’ve faced 4 bad offenses so far, so we’ll find out this weekend what this defense is capable of or if we’re as bad as some of the chicken littles have made us think.

 

[mrmax86]

Some perspective:

When we play as fast as we do, we are going to have fast drives. Either we score in 2ish minutes of game time (or less) or we fizzle out quickly. We go fast. This also means there are a lot more opportunities to see us on defense as well. On the whole, our defensive efforts have been above average (perhaps this is because of inferior competition?). The tweet above shows this. No matter what, we are currently #1 in the SEC in yards per play, which I bet is what we care about more, since we (and our defense), on average, see many more snaps per game than others. It would be easy to look at our pure yards allowed and despair because it's higher.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

You’re told not to help someone up if they are injured. Wright definitely sustained a concussion.

It wasn’t that hit. A different one.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

This just tells me

GIVE THE BALL TO DYLAN SAMPSON

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Some perspective:

When we play as fast as we do, we are going to have fast drives. Either we score in 2ish minutes of game time (or less) or we fizzle out quickly. We go fast. This also means there are a lot more opportunities to see us on defense as well. On the whole, our defensive efforts have been above average (perhaps this is because of inferior competition?). The tweet above shows this. No matter what, we are currently #1 in the SEC in yards per play, which I bet is what we care about more, since we (and our defense), on average, see many more snaps per game than others. It would be easy to look at our pure yards allowed and despair because it's higher.

To be fair though, even if looking at total yards we're 6th best in the SEC. I just don't have great confidence because we've play 3 bad offenses and 1 average one.

 

[MarcoVol]

Some perspective:

When we play as fast as we do, we are going to have fast drives. Either we score in 2ish minutes of game time (or less) or we fizzle out quickly. We go fast. This also means there are a lot more opportunities to see us on defense as well. On the whole, our defensive efforts have been above average (perhaps this is because of inferior competition?). The tweet above shows this. No matter what, we are currently #1 in the SEC in yards per play, which I bet is what we care about more, since we (and our defense), on average, see many more snaps per game than others. It would be easy to look at our pure yards allowed and despair because it's higher.

Considering how bad we’ve tackled the last couple weeks, I’m shocked we rank high in any category