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Orange. said:
I like Tchaikovsky and we've even seen one of his ballets performed in St. Petersburg. I was just messing with @Glitch and @Lloyd_Christmas. I have heard the 1812 -- with its triumphant cannons firing in the conclusion -- in an American patriotic setting before. I don't remember which.

The 1812 Overture is interesting. It is a patriotic piece celebrating the defense of Moscow and the defeat of the foreign invader. At the same time, he takes many elements of native Russian music and incorporates them into in the Western European art and style of music. This was at a time in which there was a debate in Russia between those who rejected European culture as un-Russian and those who wanted to see Russia as a part of Europe. Which is to say to embrace the European Enlightenment. Tchaikovsky seems to say "No" to the anti-Enlightenment stance and also to their opponents who were all-out European "assimilationists." He makes a composition that is both Russian and European.

Many people don't realize what a traumatic event it was for Russia to see the home of Enlightenment (as France was considered) -- the pole star of the optimistic new generation of Russians -- come to sight suddenly as an unprovoked invading imperialist conquerer.

War and Peace in some ways is about this too. The English translations typically fail to make the distinction within their English that the leading families are frequently speaking French to each other: the cosmopolitan language of the time. (Tolstoy's original expresses these conversations in French (not Russian). They were proud Francophiles confronting France against their will.
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Orange. said:
Weezer killed Bambi's mom. The "hunting accident" was a deep fake, according to American media, filmed in a studio along with the moon landing. It was never official like the Warren Commission. 😂
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More likely that I ate those Russians on the mountain. As much as I love meat, I can't hunt animals. I'm soft-hearted.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You should be very sad..Arches is...uhmm...surreal...there is nothing else like it.

I know what you mean though...on our trip we skipped Zion because I don't want to visit for just one day, when I go there I want at least two full days and we just couldn't do that on that trip.

But trust me...I am VERY sad about it.

I want to do at least 3 more loops of southern Utah before I croak...there are a bunch of famous dirt roads through the parks and national monuments like Burr Trail.

Southern Utah is my wife's favorite place of all we've been to.
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Yep, southern Utah is unreal. I’ll add northern Arizona with it. We’ve spent about 6 weeks on 2 different trips there and hope to go again sometime.
 
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I apologize. But I did keep @Glitch from being called a commie. 😂
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
One of the only things that maybe could reunite us would be another attack, but really I don't even think that would work...a lot of the scum in this country would take the other side.
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Or could be a good opportunity to pune a little dead weight and hide the bodies.
 
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Volunteer821 said:
Probably get a dumpster GIF but I have never liked his music........didn't help I worked at Billy Bobs pizza circus in high school, a knock off chuckie cheese, and that stupid gorilla band played born to run every 30 minutes.
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On par with the Beatles in terms of complete meh.
 
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Orange. said:
I've got to grant you that, at least, in one sense. That was sloppy on my part.

I know Russian had an army together with the British protecting Sicily from invasion. That Russia did not honor France's embargo of England. And Russian fought with the Austro-Hungary empire against France's invasion of the latter (the war of the 3rd coalition) where Napoleon's celebrated tactics at Austerlitz occurred). Russia was a major party to the 4th coalition with Prussia, along with Saxony, Britain, Sweden. Where Napoleon had invaded northward and taken Hanover (which it wanted to give to Britain as a bargaining chip). Napoleon conquered Berlin, east Prussia, and advanced all the way into Poland and to Russia's border, when Russia sued for peace. Russia did finally issue Napoleon an ultimatum: withdraw from Poland and Prussia or there will be war. When Napoleon refused, it was Russia that first declared war on France. But meanwhile Napoleon had taken Belarus (which was a part of Russia at that time) and was set on driving to Moscow.

I need to read more about the Napoleonic Wars. It is interesting how many people engrossed in WWII don't know the precedent of the scale of the Napoleonic Wars. But as of now, I consider Russia to have been involved always in defensive alliances against Napoleonic expansion.

But Russia surely was a long established enemy and long active in wars against Napoleon. I have to grant you that!

But you may have in mind even other things.
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It goes back farther than that...the royalist nations of Europe, England and Austria most of all at first, hated the Republic and tried to destroy it immediately after the Revolution...all the wars that happened after that, up to and beyond the time Napolean took over are just extensions of that.

Before I really started studying the period, I too misplaced a lot of the blame. For 22 years Europe tried to destroy the Republic/Empire and almost always got their ass handed to them before first the Penninsular war and then the French disaster of the Russian winter of 1812-13.

The other great powers of Europe were never going to stop until the had beaten the Republic/Empire..they would lose, sign armistice and then regroup and reform and attack France again.

It is a lot more complicated than what I thought...I see Napolean differently than I did before.
 
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Orange. said:
I've got to grant you that, at least, in one sense. That was sloppy on my part.

I know Russian had an army together with the British protecting Sicily from invasion. That Russia did not honor France's embargo of England. And Russian fought with the Austro-Hungary empire against France's invasion of the latter (the war of the 3rd coalition) where Napoleon's celebrated tactics at Austerlitz occurred). Russia was a major party to the 4th coalition with Prussia, along with Saxony, Britain, Sweden. Where Napoleon had invaded northward and taken Hanover (which it wanted to give to Britain as a bargaining chip). Napoleon conquered Berlin, east Prussia, and advanced all the way into Poland and to Russia's border, when Russia sued for peace. Russia did finally issue Napoleon an ultimatum: withdraw from Poland and Prussia or there will be war. When Napoleon refused, it was Russia that first declared war on France. But meanwhile Napoleon had taken Belarus (which was a part of Russia at that time) and was set on driving to Moscow.

I need to read more about the Napoleonic Wars. It is interesting how many people engrossed in WWII don't know the precedent of the scale of the Napoleonic Wars. But as of now, I consider Russia to have been involved always in defensive alliances against Napoleonic expansion.

But Russia surely was a long established enemy and long active in wars against Napoleon. I have to grant you that!

But you may have in mind even other things.
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There is a podcast called "The Age of Napoleon" that I listen to...it starts way before Napoleon or even the Revolution for that matter. The guy does a very thorough job.
 
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