Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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PlanetVolunteer said:
I cannot figure out who I prefer to win over UGA Bama.

I want a night game against Bama...so I hope...they...win? Meh
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IMO, the best outcome is for UGA to win. It puts doubt in the minds of all the Bammers that they could be on the decline. Then we just beat them both to confirm both of their programs are on the decline.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You mean where he prefaced it with not being a lawyer, or knowing whether Reggie has a case (i.e. right to the lawsuit), and admits to building his opinion on whether Bush's actions will have a severely negative effect on the NCAA?

To answer his "I'm not a lawyer" comment, the state and federal courts--all the way up to the SCOTUS--have literally taken the stance that the old way was illegal based on Antitrust law, and has been business at the expense of the student athletes. The NCAA has literally been a collection of University Presidents illegally conspiring to set player salaries to zero while they sell television rights to the product for massive profits. I'm not sure how referencing that discussion chanhes that.

Not sure how 6-8 minutes of two boneheads calling Reggie Bush names changes that fact.

I have to say that the irony in that pod was like quicksand. The entire logic is: "Reggie Bush is SO DAMN SELFISH for doing this! Doesn't he know how this may effect that thing I selfishly love?! I'm not concerned with whether the system he played in was legal/ethical. I'm just worried about how it affects how I watch football."

That podcast calling Reggie a "piece of ****", the US Court system a "piece of ****", and I guess our fair business antitrust laws a "piece of ****"... Giving them the voice to argue your point is probably a huge mistake. (Direct quote: "I don't care about the law of the land...")
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Way to totally miss the point. The point isn’t about impacting the way they watch football. His point was that it is a joke (or a “lie”) to refer to this as fighting for justice when Reggie Bush would have given everything he had for the chance to play college football for free.

I am saying that I agree with them, and to say that this system existed “at the expense of the players” is ridiculous.
 
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TN-POSSUM said:
Tennessee is but do you like the conferences now, kids opting out after 4 games, and ticket prices?

The "soul" of college football is gone. It's gone corporate
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They are making so much money from media & corporate sponsors that the tickets could be free and they'd barely notice. I would hope at some point they have to start rewarding the fans. . . or do something to at least make the fans feel like they are getting some part of all the $ being brought it.

I have a plan, now I just need to get everyone in charge at UT to listen. . . or find a way to blackmail them into submission.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
DK is showing Vols -11 to start. Be interesting to see where it moves after their game v Auburn. 🤔 I’m gonna take the -11 now and see again after tomorrow’s game.

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I think we win by about 17. 41-24 or something like that.

Edit: I keep forgetting we have a suffocating defense when I predict these scores. Arky may not get to 17, but I think the Vols will cross 40.
 
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drylo said:
Way to totally miss the point. The point isn’t about impacting the way they watch football. His point was that it is a joke (or a “lie”) to refer to this as fighting for justice when Reggie Bush would have given everything he had for the chance to play college football for free.

I am saying that I agree with them, and to say that this system existed “at the expense of the players” is ridiculous.
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Way to latch onto the wrong point. You said that I lost you at "at the expense of the SAs". Nothing in that convoluted, vitriolic take does he disprove the statement that breaking antitrust law is corporate business at the expense of the players.

And the "he knew what he was signing up for" logic does not negate the ethics, legality, or fact that the system was rigged at the expense of the athletes. Built into the concept of antitrust laws is that the corporations have created and wielded enough power to create a system where the employees/consumers basically HAVE TO participate in an unfair system to participate AT ALL. It's a red herring.

But at the end of the day, we see that it's still been an illegal system profiting AT THE EXPENSE of the student athletes, unless you have some other more valid reason to question that statement.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
That's because Tennessee had a bad coach in most of those years. Dooley, Jones and Pruitt.🤦🤦🤦🤦

I look towards the future not dwell on the past.
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Orange_Crush said:
Same. It's some kind of weird superstition that looks back at completely different/previous teams that wore the UT uniform, most under completely different coaching staffs, against completely different/previous teams wearing the UF uniform, most under completely different coaching staffs. It's like being convinced your wife is cheating on you because other wives have cheated at times throughout history.

Maybe you just show faith in your wife until SHE gives you reason to worry.
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We lost a completely winnable game against them just last season. I think we’re better than Florida again this year, but we still haven’t put them behind us. Time to start a streak against them because eventually they’ll make the right hire.
 
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Jack Burton said:
We lost a completely winnable game against them just last season. I think we’re better than Florida again this year, but we still haven’t put them behind us. Time to start a streak against them because eventually they’ll make the right hire.
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Would you not consider "last season" to fall under the "different/previous" team banner that I mentioned?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Way to latch onto the wrong point. You said that I lost you at "at the expense of the SAs". Nothing in that convoluted, vitriolic take does he disprove the statement that breaking antitrust law is corporate business at the expense of the players.

And the "he knew what he was signing up for" logic does not negate the ethics, legality, or fact that the system was rigged at the expense of the athletes. Built into the concept of antitrust laws is that the corporations have created and wielded enough power to create a system where the employees/consumers basically HAVE TO participate in an unfair system to participate AT ALL. It's a red herring.

But at the end of the day, we see that it's still been an illegal system profiting AT THE EXPENSE of the student athletes, unless you have some other more valid reason to question that statement.
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I would like to hear you to go on the same rant about high school athletics.

And middle school. Is that breaking child labor laws too?
 
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Jack Burton said:
We lost a completely winnable game against them just last season. I think we’re better than Florida again this year, but we still haven’t put them behind us. Time to start a streak against them because eventually they’ll make the right hire.
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I dunno. I think this year the DL vs OL mismatch will just be insurmountable for them. We've seen it go against us the other way many times, especially vs the Gators.

We come into the game looking okay and like we'll be competitive, and their DL just forces 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out. Basically like what we did to Oklahoma. We'd still feel like we had a chance until late in the third and then they would start running all over our tired DL. They'd get a 2 TD lead and milk the clock and that was it.

I think Heupel will be more aggressive and try to absolutely bury them, but I'm sort of wary of that because flukey, weird things always happen vs them. And a pick six or strip sack for a short field or TD could turn that game into another "here we go again" affair. I also doubt we erase turnovers like we did vs OU if they happen.

It will be interesting to see the game plan for the Gators. A conservative approach wins easily because we will grind them down, but it won't be fun to watch because it will be close for a while, and that will send everyone's anxiety into overdrive.
 
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