Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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drylo said:
I am 100% with you on thinking of the NCAA that way. It drives me crazy when people talk about the NCAA as “a single thing.”

And, yes, that’s what creates the competition law hook. And I understand the reading of the Sherman Act that implicates the NCAA, but I think it should be obvious that the Sherman Act was not intended to make amateur sports per se illegal. From a statutory construction perspective, I think the original intent is relevant to how we read the statute, but nevertheless, we could solve it by amending the Sherman Act, and maybe we should.

Like Teddy Lehman, I care more about “what’s right” (i.e. in my words, good policy) than about “the law of the land” (i.e. how a court has interpreted the Sherman Act at present).
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In our pluralistic society, it's hard to fall back on individual relative ethics. I don't think we'll solve that here. And for the record, I've never needed or asked you to agree with me. I'm just befuddled that we've spent two pages debating whether the old system cost the student athletes. It's surreal, actually.

The "amateurism as a definitive part of the business model" was the NCAA's argument to the SCOTUS, who laughed them off in one of the court opinions. Basically, the SCOTUS told them not to come back with that stupid ****. They get no exclusion. If they want one, go get the legislators to do exactly what you proposed, and give them one.

But again... The old system was at the expense of the athletes. That is undeniable. That was the statement you took issue with. That's what's been debated, as far as I'm concern. I don't care to try anymore to convince you of the obvious.

Take care and I hope you have an excellent day, amigo. Peace.
 
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drylo said:
I don’t, at all. I care about amateur sports continuing to exist.
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Amateur sports would still exist. Every university has the option to start intramural football.

It will suck. That won't matter because it wouldn't be broadcast, because it sucks, so you wouldn't see it anyway. It isn't simply "amateur sports" that you want. You want all of the benefits of this specific entertainment industry with the talent getting screwed out of a share of the profits.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
In our pluralistic society, it's hard to fall back on individual relative ethics. I don't think we'll solve that here. And for the record, I've never needed or asked you to agree with me. I'm just befuddled that we've spent two pages debating whether the old system cost the student athletes. It's surreal, actually.

The "amateurism as a definitive part of the business model" was the NCAA's argument to the SCOTUS, who laughed them off in one of the court opinions. Basically, the SCOTUS told them not to come back with that stupid ****. They get no exclusion. If they want one, go get the legislators to do exactly what you proposed, and give them one.

But again... The old system was at the expense of the athletes. That is undeniable. That was the statement you took issue with. That's what's been debated, as far as I'm concern. I don't care to try anymore to convince you of the obvious.

Take care and I hope you have an excellent day, amigo. Peace.
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It’s only undeniable in comparison to an alternate universe in which they can walk into court and accuse the universities of behaving illegally for offering non-compensated athletic teams as an extracurricular activity.

By any other measure, the “old system” was amazing for the athletes. As Teddy Lehman said, an opportunity these guys dreamed of their whole lives.
 
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• Tennessee’s defense has stepped up: There were concerns about the Volunteers defense earlier in the year, but the unit now ranks first in the nation in EPA allowed per play.​

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Surprise: Tennessee’s defense​

Of the eight Tennessee defenders who earned a 65-plus PFF grade in 2023, only one — James Pearce Jr. — returned this season, leaving the Volunteers with some defensive question marks outside their star pass rusher.

After four games, however, Tennessee has silenced most of those doubts. The Volunteers lead the nation in EPA per play allowed (-0.528) and rank second in yards per play allowed (3.3), all while securing wins over two ranked teams, N.C. State and Oklahoma.

Surprisingly, they’ve achieved this without much contribution from Pearce, who has posted just a 63.1 pass-rushing grade. If he can find his form, Tennessee’s defense could become even more formidable.

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Disappointment: Oklahoma’s entire offense​

Oklahoma has been nothing short of a complete disaster offensively. The Sooners hold the second-lowest graded offense in the Power Four (59.7) and rank third-worst in EPA per play (-0.182).

No matter how you break it down, the offensive struggles only become more glaring.

Oklahoma’s offensive grading this season​

AreaPFF GradeFBS Rank
(Out of 134 teams)		Power Four Rank (Out of 68 teams)
Passing62.1105th60th
Rushing65.5125th68th
Receiving58.3121st66th
Pass-Blocking61.3102nd57th
Run-Blocking54.0116th64th
While Oklahoma faced Tennessee's elite defense, its other three games came against Temple, Houston and Tulane — all three rank outside of the top 60 in team defense grade, while the Owls and Green Wave aren’t even among the top 100.

It’s worth noting that Oklahoma’s offense has been plagued by injuries, particularly in the receiving corps. However, the Sooners must elevate their play with the roster they have, especially with tougher SEC matchups looming on the schedule.

Oklahoma has benched former five-star quarterback Jackson Arnold for true freshman Michael Hawkins Jr. But unless Hawkins turns into the next Caleb Williams, it’s unlikely he will be able to salvage this offense.

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drylo said:
It’s only undeniable in comparison to an alternate universe in which they can walk into court and accuse the universities of behaving illegally for offering non-compensated athletic teams as an extracurricular activity.

By any other measure, the “old system” was amazing for the athletes. As Teddy Lehman said, an opportunity these guys dreamed of their whole lives.
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That's not the SA's claim. Like I said, the universities can offer amateur intramural sports. The SAs are in court pointing out that dozens of businesses are making huge profits while colluding to cut the athletes out of a fair market that could offer them a share for their work. Again... No one is saying that colleges HAVE to pay athletes to play--just that it's illegal to collude to prevent it.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's not the SA's claim. Like I said, the universities can offer amateur intramural sports. The SAs are in court pointing out that dozens of businesses are making huge profits while colluding to cut the athletes out of a fair market that could offer them a share for their work. Again... No one is saying that colleges HAVE to pay athletes to play--just that it's illegal to collude to prevent it.
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Yes, I understand that nuance. My point remains the same.
 
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Orangeburst said:
All I i know is I need to somehow clear out my Youtube feed from giving me Okie videos after all the game previews I watched.. We kicked their ass and moving on.
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Same. But I'll admit, I'm still looking for those doom-ayses that said OU would beat UT because if Heupel was any good he's be OU's coach.
 
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Orangeburst said:
traveled that many a times when I lived in NC. That is a huge commerce issue.
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I-40 was shut down in 2009 due to a rockslide on the night of my wedding.

We got married on Lookout Mountain and went to Asheville afterwards, went north through Greensville or Kingsport and down south I think.

Suffice to say this is a MUCH longer repair.
 
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Orange. said:
One of my bros found KY tickets at a somewhat decent price (all things considered these days) and you get dark mode and Spooky Rocky Top, and maybe Boo scores a touchdown.
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Out of the blue (no pun intended) my daughter asked if we could go to a Tennessee game at Neyland! She goes to TCU.

TCU has a bye weekend on 11/2.

So she and I are going to be there for the Kentucky game! I’m ecstatic. We’ve already got plane tickets, hotel rooms, rental car and football tickets! Pricey but worth it!
 
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