Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[DD4ME]

they will probably use the west bound side for east bound as well..probably one lane each way, but maybe they can use shoulder for extra lanes..that is if the west bound side isnt damaged. Still be backed up for miles each way. Surprised no traffic went over the cliff.

It will be like when they had the big rock slide.

 

[ACvol3]

Does NCAA 15 not update rankings, etc through the season?

 

[screenthis]

And if the product sucked they'd go empty. Instead you just helped some of the 20k people on a wait list.

How many people are able to pay 8K for season tickets? Who is going to be going to those games? At that rate, I'll mostly be sitting on my couch rooting on my beloved vols.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I am so happy that Chattanooga now has connections through DFW to Mexico instead of just through Atlanta. I don't even like layovers through that place!

Love Atlanta. Nicest Airport in SE. Agree though small airports need more direct flights.

 

[clt_tiger]

It will be like when they had the big rock slide.

Looks like we will be using the Mars Hill to Hot Springs to Newport route when we go home for the Holidays. Same as when we had the rock slide. This washout will likely take much longer for safety. Nature is scary.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

That’s not good.

 

[tn4elvis]

I am so happy that Chattanooga now has connections through DFW to Mexico instead of just through Atlanta. I don't even like layovers through that place!

The only airport I ever get delayed in is Atlanta.

 

[MockingVol]

I would like to hear you to go on the same rant about high school athletics.

And middle school. Is that breaking child labor laws too?

Neither of those produce revenue.

 

[SSVol]

And if the product sucked they'd go empty. Instead you just helped some of the 20k people on a wait list.

I seriously doubt there are 20k people waiting to spend $8k.

 

[Orange.]

The blue chip being behind our 3* in development isn’t ideal.

I get your point now. Maybe he'll come on strong now.

 

[lawgator1]

Hey, it's been a while. Hope you're well.

Yah. I agree, as I said in the post some took issue with. This is messy right now, but I think that it's a mess we need to deal with until the market finds its equilibrium. T

To be honest, I don't like its current state, but geez... I don't see how anyone can argue against the idea that the NCAA's collusion was at the expense of the athletes when considering what a free(er) market would have offered. I mean, all one has to do is look at what the athletes are getting right now, since the NIL rules have been made ineffective. "At the expense of..." is a pretty clear concept.

We are on same page. But only way I can see it stabilizing is if new recruits have to commit to a school for 3 to 4 years to get the big dollars. Make it a contract issue.

But then we will have payout issues with injuries, by contract.

 

[drylo]

You should have cared decades ago when it stopped existing. Billions of dollars pouring into a sport eliminates any claim of amateurism. One sided amateurism isn't amateurism.

You’re not really understanding my point. I’m not saying I care about amateurism in college football, per se. I’m saying I care about amateur sports continuing to exist. And yes, it ties into college football because college sports is the lifeblood of amateur sports generally in this country.

But I don’t care about “keeping these football players down” or “making administrators rich.” You guys are missing the point. I think there should be a place in this world for amateur sports as we have always known them. I think there should be a robust environment for women’s soccer to flourish, for Olympic sports, softball, etc. None of these things are viable in a world where everyone decides that the football players should get to keep all the gate receipts and TV money. There is a place for that, and it’s professional football. School sports shouldn’t have to be that way. You don’t want to play, don’t play.

 

[drylo]

Neither of those produce revenue.

False — but also, irrelevant to the antitrust argument.

 

[Adam2014]

James Pearce is still having a huge impact. He is getting pressure on over 20% of his snaps.

 

[therickbol]

Many folks don't understand that the NCAA's greed caused lots of these issues they hate right now. Like the kids sitting out for more money elsewhere. The NCAA's rules sent the market into an underground black market where verbal deals were made with no contract, thus little recourse for either side.

Bring that market into the daylight with genuine negotiations, contracts and recourse for all parties, and a lot of this crap works its way out.

Ding ding ding!!!!

 

[TrippieRedd]

Getting in the right mindset before tonight’s mlb slate

 

[Rishvol]

That’s not good.

Maybe they'll continue construction on the one through Blount County....

 

[Orange_Crush]

You’re not really understanding my point. I’m not saying I care about amateurism in college football, per se. I’m saying I care about amateur sports continuing to exist. And yes, it ties into college football because college sports is the lifeblood of amateur sports generally in this country.

But I don’t care about “keeping these football players down” or “making administrators rich.” You guys are missing the point. I think there should be a place in this world for amateur sports as we have always known them. I think there should be a robust environment for women’s soccer to flourish, for Olympic sports, softball, etc. None of these things are viable in a world where everyone decides that the football players should get to keep all the gate receipts and TV money. There is a place for that, and it’s professional football. School sports shouldn’t have to be that way. You don’t want to play, don’t play.

Who's arguing for that?

And, as mentioned, the same holds true for Universities... "You don't want to pay, don't pay". You just don't get to collude as member institutions to prevent a university from paying athletes.

 

[drylo]

Many folks don't understand that the NCAA's greed caused lots of these issues they hate right now. Like the kids sitting out for more money elsewhere. The NCAA's rules sent the market into an underground black market where verbal deals were made with no contract, thus little recourse for either side.

Bring that market into the daylight with genuine negotiations, contracts and recourse for all parties, and a lot of this crap works its way out.

The NCAA, or the schools?

You were just saying a few posts back to stop thinking of the NCAA as its own organism and think of it as an association of the schools, so just clarifying…

 

[Orange_Crush]

False — but also, irrelevant to the antitrust argument.

Profits are central to antitrust law.

 

[Orange.]

Came out of his Monday presser, I think.

No, I watched the presser. Heup was asked and answered about Dayne Davis and Larry Johnson. Then about the status of Heard and Campbell. Then a second question about Johnson. There was no mention of Perry and Warren. @johnfnkelly is right that it was VQ. Someone else also verified VQ.

I don't know if someone asked about Perry and Warren by name or whether AP initiated the remark on his own, being more thorough and including the 3s.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The NCAA, or the schools?

You were just saying a few posts back to stop thinking of the NCAA as its own organism and think of it as an association of the schools, so just clarifying…

Both. The NCAA is the collusion/enforcement arm of the member institutions. I'm referring to all of the institutions by the name of their organization.

But even that is a misnomer, as many of the institutions would probably like to pay players. Notably, probably many in the power 4 conferences. Generally, there are two groups that are against paying players--a few blue blood power 4 schools that have created competitive advantages by paying players under the table, and they don't want that parity--and smaller conference schools who could not afford the market and would never be competitive in it.

That's why we'll likely see a break of larger conferences from the NCAA. We're already seeing movement toward that. You may get what you want. A new org of college sports that is paying players, and smaller schools in the NCAA paying them a pittance, effectively keeping more amateurish feel. You could happily follow that division.

 

[Glitch]

That first mow

 

[Orange.]

100,000 seats times $80 average ticket (low estimate) times 7 games is $56 million. That is roughly 25% of the revenue brought in last year. That’s definitely noticeable.

One needs to factor in also that "donations" are typically required for the right to buy tickets.

 

[DD4ME]

Somebody had a bad day