Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Enki_Amenra]

It seems like this team is built to attack, but we saw very little of that.

I'm gonna pull both my ears straight off when I see another sideline screen for 1 yd.

 

[KB5252]

Squirrel out with a broken collarbone

Well, Time to get a Mathews reps, replace White in my scenario with Nimrod or Webb and let's see what we got

 

[VolGee4]

It seems like this team is built to attack, but we saw very little of that.

I'm gonna pull both my ears straight off when I see another sideline screen for 1 yd.

You are going to see it again. That's part of our offense. The wide splits get a WR in space. The play is fine, especially when it gets 3+ yards on first down.

I had read about Heupel's offense when he was hired, and there was discussion about it not having a bunch of medium throws. I agree with others that we have to get back to tempo because that helps create the advantage.

 

[ConwayFitty]

We beat arkansas by 3 scores if we played like we did vs Iowa. 3-4 big runs by Nico would've changed the game.

We beat Arkansas if we fair catch that last punt and don't hit their punter in the head. Both led to the only touchdowns for them. Special teams were awful in this game. Not calling a fair catch cost 20 yds and flipped the field at a crucial moment. Heck even kicking that field goal before the half instead of punting could have been a momentum shift.

 

[chavisut]

It is absolutely laughable how so many of you think winning an SEC road game is easy and we should be able to do it in our sleep. We played awful. No way to spin it. I am in a little bit of wait and see but the fact that many of you are already writing off Nico and Heupel is just plain stupid.

I especially love the comps to Hooker, who was a RS Jr, with almost 20 games under his belt before he even got to TN.

 

[headhunter15]

All game

I know it’s not just Tennessee, but these teams need to do something to these damn refs. I’d like to see a team threaten to not play the rest of a game if holding calls go missed. The SEC and TV providers would stroke out.

 

[KB5252]

The other thing I think teams are figuring out is reading our routes. We often... Most of the time, run a play to one side of the field only, our receivers on one side stop running a route to keep the defenders sucked in tighter to the LOS.

That is at least one, sometimes two receivers out of the play, if the play breaks down you sometimes have two guys in the same place.

We are also telegraphing our pulling lineman, they are consistently a half yard behind the others in formation..... An easy tell for defenders.

 

[KB5252]

You are going to see it again. That's part of our offense. The wide splits get a WR in space. The play is fine, especially when it gets 3+ yards on first down.

I had read about Heupel's offense when he was hired, and there was discussion about it not having a bunch of medium throws. I agree with others that we have to get back to tempo because that helps create the advantage.

That play is effective at times..... But one thing about it infuriates me....... We never use it to stack another play off of. We aren't using the pump and double move on that play effectively. They have to sell out to get in the right spot to defend it and we don't take advantage.

 

[Aesius]

Football is just a hard sport to coach and scheme. I think we would be a better team on offense right now if Heupel had run the offense wide open from day one and kept Nico and the starters in games longer. But you need to get guys experience.

There's also the fact that going conservative was the right move against Oklahoma. If we went wide open there we may have lost that game, but it would have benefited us against Arkansas. I think it's hard to make that switch from week to week, even with a bye week in there. And especially in the middle of game. He tried to get out of Fayetteville with a win without dramatically changing the offensive philosophy but it just didn't work.

We were so deadly on offense in 2022 because there was never any shift in philosophy. It was pedal to the metal every play, every game.

 

[WesTnVol]

Wonder what they would have done when Tennessee started the season 0-6? My second year of med school. It was awful looking forward to football season and being handed loss after loss.

I sent a letter to Coach Majors begging him to turn it around and not lose to Memphis State. I told him that I couldn’t go home for Christmas if the Vols lost to Tiger High.
The Vols won the remaining games of the season. Final record was 5-6, but the Vols felt like they were winners by the end of the season. Tiger High was the first of 5 straight wins.

Coach Majors wrote me back after the tiger high game. He stated that he felt like the team was turning a corner. Some of the losses were close. He promised good results! He was a good man.

Thanks for the memories. I took my dad to that game.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

There are 4 commercials breaks in the 1st and 3rd quarter. Each break lasts 3:35, plus there is an additional break after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th quarter end. There is a postgame recap for a minute or two then more commercials before the next game or show. A short opening segment for the next game and then more commercials.

19 minutes of commercials for 15 minutes of football. . . and that's just 1 quarter. 15 mins for the 2nd & 4th quarters, a commercial break after the 2nd, a short segment after that break and then a few halftime commercial breaks during the halftime show.

About 1hour and 30 mins of commercials per game. I believe it's really probably more than that.

Fans are gonna have to do something. They're only gonna show more until they break the fans. The product sucks because of it and it absolutely effects the flow of the game for both teams and impacts the viewing experience for everyone.

If I didnt like talking with you all live during the game, I probably wouldn't even watch, at least until after halftime, so I could fast forward.

 

[engineerVOL]

It seems like this team is built to attack, but we saw very little of that.

I'm gonna pull both my ears straight off when I see another sideline screen for 1 yd.

Right now, Nico = Milton. I’ve come to accept that for now. That’s our offense until he gets more experience and the game slows down for him. He missed Sampson in the flat for the game winner. Overthrowing Squirrel. Resorting to screens on the boundary. Sounds similar.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Wow. That long throw to Thornton at the end. Look at Heard. Absolutely pathetic effort. His ass should be chewed all day long for that and he should go to the bench. What a waste of a roster spot

 

[jave36]

You are going to see it again. That's part of our offense. The wide splits get a WR in space. The play is fine, especially when it gets 3+ yards on first down.

I had read about Heupel's offense when he was hired, and there was discussion about it not having a bunch of medium throws. I agree with others that we have to get back to tempo because that helps create the advantage.

I think almost all our quick throws to the sideline were good for 3-5 yards, which is fine. We probably needed to check into that more, there were a lot of times their DB were playing way off and we ran it up the middle for no gain instead.

I really don't understand the lack of outside runs or option keepers for Nico. Their linebackers had zero respect for nicos legs, they were frequently helping out with our routes in the middle and letting the DB play outside leverage. Often times they entirely turned their backs to the LOS to help guard our WR coming across the middle. Just 3 or 4 Nico keepers or outside runs where the LB is the only one saving a long run insyeas of the DL would have forced them to respect the run.

Sure we'd like our OL to handle business and just open up a hole in the middle every time, but...

 

[jave36]

Football is just a hard sport to coach and scheme. I think we would be a better team on offense right now if Heupel had run the offense wide open from day one and kept Nico and the starters in games longer. But you need to get guys experience.

There's also the fact that going conservative was the right move against Oklahoma. If we went wide open there we may have lost that game, but it would have benefited us against Arkansas. I think it's hard to make that switch from week to week, even with a bye week in there. And especially in the middle of game. He tried to get out of Fayetteville with a win without dramatically changing the offensive philosophy but it just didn't work.

We were so deadly on offense in 2022 because there was never any shift in philosophy. It was pedal to the metal every play, every game.

I thought this same thing this morning. Taking Nico out at half time probably wasn't the best idea. Not just the lost reps, but the attitude it shows the players is "we take our foot off the gas when we get a lead." You can tell the players have adopted that philosophy.

Same with OU, yes we won the game, but coaches have told players with their play calling "we are not a team who keeps our foot on the gas when we get a lead."

 

[volfaninpa]

Whether it's the injury or something else, perhaps we are seeing why Heard didn't see the field at LSU and it doesn't have as much to do with LSU's other tackles as we might have thought.

 

[Volnut]

 

[TheTimeIsNow]

Backs against the wall this weekend. How do we respond? I think our defense plays lights out. Offense? No clue. If we have no trust in Nico, line 7 up and just run the ball all day. Sampson will feast. Yeah it’ll be ugly but I bet we win by 2 scores. Floridas defense ranks 96th.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[Skullbone]

There are 4 commercials breaks in the 1st and 3rd quarter. Each break lasts 3:35, plus there is an additional break after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th quarter end. There is a postgame recap for a minute or two then more commercials before the next game or show. A short opening segment for the next game and then more commercials.

19 minutes of commercials for 15 minutes of football. . . and that's just 1 quarter. 15 mins for the 2nd & 4th quarters, a commercial break after the 2nd, a short segment after that break and then a few halftime commercial breaks during the halftime show.

About 1hour and 30 mins of commercials per game. I believe it's really probably more than that.

Fans are gonna have to do something. They're only gonna show more until they break the fans. The product sucks because of it and it absolutely effects the flow of the game for both teams and impacts the viewing experience for everyone.

If I didnt like talking with you all live during the game, I probably wouldn't even watch, at least until after halftime, so I could fast forward.

Yep. I cannot watch a game without DVR anymore. The problem is I run out of FF time and end up live viewing by the third anyways.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Whether it's the injury or something else, perhaps we are seeing why Heard didn't see the field at LSU and it doesn't have as much to do with LSU's other tackles as we might have thought.

He did see the field after an injury and was on the all sec rookie team.

 

[BigSteve09]

So i was watching a podcast this morning and yall let me know if yall agree.
1. They need to let Nico scramble more if nothing is open. Reason is they are scared he will get hurt.
2. Nico needs to just throw it and let his wide receivers be play makers and stop holding the ball.
3. Run the what is it 12 man offense and pound the rock.
4. Let a couple of the younger offensive lineman in the game to see what they can do.
5. Heupel needs to switch the offense up tremendously because defenses know how to play us now.

It was more but that's all I can remember lol, but what do you guys think. Do you think we lose players to the portal if they don't get no run, lose commits. I know it's one game too but we definitely gotta respond and asap.

Yes plove he sits back there and pats the ball like he's trying to burp a baby.

Hooker was a great QB for this offense because he was fearless, he was tough, and he was decisive.

He'd drop back and get the hell on if the play wasn't developing as intended. Sometimes he'd make a read before the snap and decide he was gonna run anyway. Pair his decisiveness and mobility with hyper tempo and it was a nightmare for defenses.

We are not running the offense that terrified DCs right now, and Nico does not seem to be playing comfortably or naturally at all. His seemingly only "eff it, go time" play was the bomb to Thornton late, which was his longest completion.

He seems to be struggling with the series of if-then statements that this offense has turned into.

 

[jave36]

There are 4 commercials breaks in the 1st and 3rd quarter. Each break lasts 3:35, plus there is an additional break after the 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th quarter end. There is a postgame recap for a minute or two then more commercials before the next game or show. A short opening segment for the next game and then more commercials.

19 minutes of commercials for 15 minutes of football. . . and that's just 1 quarter. 15 mins for the 2nd & 4th quarters, a commercial break after the 2nd, a short segment after that break and then a few halftime commercial breaks during the halftime show.

About 1hour and 30 mins of commercials per game. I believe it's really probably more than that.

Fans are gonna have to do something. They're only gonna show more until they break the fans. The product sucks because of it and it absolutely effects the flow of the game for both teams and impacts the viewing experience for everyone.

If I didnt like talking with you all live during the game, I probably wouldn't even watch, at least until after halftime, so I could fast forward.

Not just because we lost, but I probably won't go to another college game for a while due to these insane commercial breaks. It's a miserable experience in the stadium. It was almost 4 hours. Even if we had won, I'd have come away saying I'd rather not go to any more away games, maybe not even home games unless it's Florida or Bama or something like that. It's brutal to just sit there and wait over and over.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

A starting lineup of Thornton, Brazzell and Matthews at WR sounds good to me.

WR screens to Matthews now please. Maybe Webb as well, he's done well with those.

Thornton has been our best WR. Take more shots with him, that catch he made was tremendous.

 

[volfaninpa]

He did see the field after an injury and was on the all sec rookie team.

You are correct. But, look at the details of his games played that year and I'm not sure how many others were legitimate candidates for a spot on the team.

"Heard was thrust into action during the first quarter of LSU’s win over Auburn when Jones went down with an injury. Heard played a career-high 59 snaps against Auburn, helping the Tiger offense to 568 total yards, including 238 on the ground, in the 48-18 victory.

In the win over Army, Heard saw action on 58 snaps as the Tigers rolled up 570 yards of offense, 202 on the ground, in the 62-0 victory.

Heard appeared on LSU’s protection units for field goals and point-after touchdowns in every game. His other extensive action came in the win over Grambling when he played 54 snaps in his Tiger Stadium debut."