Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[TN-POSSUM]

@InVOLuntary and @MarcoVol
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IMO.....
Put yer shirt back on Invol!!!

 

[Orange.]

On the road. I'm pretty sure we get those calls at home.

We don't. Look at the statistics ranker site that @Visidog linked.

Penalties called in home games against opponents in 2024 are ranked from #1 (being the home team who has the most penalties called against its opponents) to #134 (the home team with the fewest penalties called against its opponents).

We rank #132 of 134. Dead last in the SEC and pretty nearly dead last in the nation. 131 of 134 home teams have had more penalties called against their opponents at home than we have.

Uh oh you went and did it now...

No, there's a misunderstanding. I guess you didn't look at the numbers. I've never figured out why you like to taunt on this subject.

So the refs love.... Auburn?

You're misinterpreting the statistics again. The question at hand is where we rank. So look.

In penalties called on opponents this year (#1 being the most penalties called) we are #126 of 134. 125 teams have more flags thrown on opponents than we do. In the SEC we are dead last. It doesn't really matter that Auburn happens to have the most penalties called on opponents. That in no way disproves that we are dead last. It was with respect to our rank that Visidog was saying that our eyes weren't lying to us.

Last year Ohio state, Texas, and Notre Dame were all lower than us....

You're really reaching for straws. You know those teams don't share officiating crews with us.

Hard to imagine it's a conspiracy against us if opponents of those teams were getting fewer flags than our opponents.

And there it is.

Don't let the vast conspiracy theory that there can be no possible issue or systemic pattern with our officiating unsettle or shame you into objections like that. It resembles people shouting "witch" and "black magic" in the middle ages. And it is a learned and taught behavior and preoccupation. Anyway, @Visidog's post was simply pointing out statistics he has seen suggest there is something to the issue. I see no reason to try to shame the guy or anyone else into silence and dishonor for that.

The question arose when several people noticed no-call holding penalties at Arkansas. And then this post caused more questioning:



Surely you don't think that whatever the stat happens to be for Auburn (or for Oklahoma and Arkansas, which rank pretty high, too) disproves the claim in the X post?

 

[Adam Sandler]

Anybody heard of this or done it?

My father has talked about doing it

 

[Orange.]

It's ok to question and investigate. It's complicated. But it's not nothing.

 

[Smokey123]

The oline wasn't bad in 2022. We had a rotation at LT but we were solid up front that year. UGA was the only team that whooped us in the trenches.

Nico has been sacked 7.6% of drop backs (or 9 in 5 games 1.8 per game), he has 2.2 seconds in the pocket and facing pressure on 13.6% of drop backs. Hooker faced pressure on 16.1%, 2.02 seconds, and sacked 7.6% of drop backs (or 25 times in less than 11 games 2.27 per game)

Milton had 2.5 seconds, sacked 4.8% of drop backs (17 in 12 games 1.4 per game) but did face pressure 21% of the time(cuz he held the ball much longer)

Hooker was similar to dobbs and saved the offensive line a lot

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Yeah, probably got dumped and the people didnt even know what was in it. . .

I wanna think the place pissed off an old redneck and he sent a box of dynamite to teach them a lesson, . I laugh, but hope nobody gets hurt.

Wish that redneck woulda dumped it at the SEC office in Bham

 

[tnvols72]

 

[tnvols72]

 

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[Orange.]

This actually supports my [conspiracy] theory that sec refs give huge home field advantages. [And that explains every particular call and no-call.] Auburn has had all home games except for UGA, while we've had 2 cupcakes at home and that's it. [No need to check whether any other team has experienced 1 live ball call on an opponent in 2 weeks.] [No need to consider no-calls, which aren't in the stats.]

fyp

My suspicion is the SEC hires small minded, good ole boy officials** who aren't actually the best at their trade, and when the crowd gets rocking, they're not experienced and adept enough to keep a level head and call the game well. The SEC home advantage is probably higher than anywhere else because oirbofficials are so bad and the SEC doesn't pick them based on being the best of the best. Just like if they put an average Joe out there, he's going to call in favor of the home team every time.

How can all of that be innocent? And does "incompetence" really want to say anything other than "innocent"? And how can even the long-standing coverup and denial, the perpetual gag orders on discussing calls, and the inability to recognize the problem from all the feedback every week (which is also suppressed) also be... innocent incompetence?

The "well, they just don't know any better" intervention always stirkes me as whitewashing. It seems almost the most conspiratorial take of all to claim that it is all one big accident, that no one in Birmingham knows anything about the way they conduct their own games. "Thought we were solid in officiating again this week, bruhs." "Keep up the good work."

That's a LOT of well-intentioned boo boos.

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** Does "good ole boys" mean crooks and backroom illicit deal makers and backstabbers? As it so often does. Or earnest simpletons?

 

[Orange.]

Make it 2 and I'm in.

Baby Uncle Billy is telling you he will have tampered all year so why does he need more than a week? Everyone's already been to the cabin.

 

[Orange.]

Should SEC officials wear body cams?

 

[Orange.]

My father has talked about doing it

Sounds like he has at least once.

 

[Orange.]

Anyone besides Pepperidge Farms remember that Malachi Moore's immunity to penalties and to ejections (as the visiting team at Vandy this week) has been going on for a while? He's the same guy who viciously targeted Hendon Hooker (no call, no ejection) in the '21 game.

(I'll not post it because it is too ugly to look at.)

 

[Orange.]

Check this response to Malachi Moore's apology. Now construed not to include assaulting the quarterback.

 

[Orange.]

Anyone else notice how the media almost always mischaracterized and "edited" their stories about Malachi Moore at Vandy this week by skipping the previous play when he should have been ejected for grabbing a defenseless QB by the facemask after the whistle, and slamming his head into the ground. With an official looking straight at him? (I'm assuming you've seen it.)

Instead they substituted this next (relatively much less extreme) play in their discussion and video, without the first. That's when Moore entered the huddle of officials and kicked the ball they had spotted. Still no ejection:.


Sports Illustrated, for an example. Most reports seem to do this.

Nothing to see here. Just a lil jokie.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Someone take this dudes account away, Jesus.

“TeAm hAD a mEeTiNg oN MoNdAy, AnD NiCo WaS sO maD hE ToOk LaNcE HeArDs ApPLeSaUCe”

 

[knoxvol52]

We don't. Look at the statistics ranker site that @Visidog linked.

Penalties called in home games against opponents in 2024 are ranked from #1 (being the home team who has the most penalties called against its opponents) to #134 (the home team with the fewest penalties called against its opponents).

We rank #132 of 134. Dead last in the SEC and pretty nearly dead last in the nation. 131 of 134 home teams have had more penalties called against their opponents at home than we have.


No, there's a misunderstanding. I guess you didn't look at the numbers. I've never figured out why you like to taunt on this subject.


You're misinterpreting the statistics again. The question at hand is where we rank. So look.

In penalties called on opponents this year (#1 being the most penalties called) we are #126 of 134. 125 teams have more flags thrown on opponents than we do. In the SEC we are dead last. It doesn't really matter that Auburn happens to have the most penalties called on opponents. That in no way disproves that we are dead last. It was with respect to our rank that Visidog was saying that our eyes weren't lying to us.


You're really reaching for straws. You know those teams don't share officiating crews with us.

And there it is.

Don't let the vast conspiracy theory that there can be no possible issue or systemic pattern with our officiating unsettle or shame you into objections like that. It resembles people shouting "witch" and "black magic" in the middle ages. And it is a learned and taught behavior and preoccupation. Anyway, @Visidog's post was simply pointing out statistics he has seen suggest there is something to the issue. I see no reason to try to shame the guy or anyone else into silence and dishonor for that.

The question arose when several people noticed no-call holding penalties at Arkansas. And then this post caused more questioning:



Surely you don't think that whatever the stat happens to be for Auburn (or for Oklahoma and Arkansas, which rank pretty high, too) disproves the claim in the X post?

I taunt it because it's a dead horse that's been beat to death. Once again when someone comes up with a REAL way to solve the issue as a WHOLE conference wide I will invest into the fight.

Now I have a question for you. When Tennessee WINS I never see post about the crappy officiating but when Tennessee LOSES that's the go to excuse. So your going to make me think that the officials are doing their job in the wins and are in Sankeys back pocket when the losses occur?

BTW. I totally agree Officiating is bad but I totally disagree it's a conspiracy against Tennessee, that's where we part ways on this topic.

In this battle the "blue pills" will win out over the "red pills" because it will never change.

 

[mrMet]

You got screwed

The first half one to DK was a brutal toe on the line. Went to bed at start of the 4th. What happened?

 

[Orange.]

I taunt it because it's a dead horse that's been beat to death. Once again when someone comes up with a REAL way to solve the issue as a WHOLE conference wide I will invest into the fight.

Now I have a question for you. When Tennessee WINS I never see post about the crappy officiating but when Tennessee LOSES that's the go to excuse. So your going to make me think that the officials are doing their job in the wins and are in Sankeys back pocket when the losses occur?

BTW. I totally agree Officiating is bad but I totally disagree it's a conspiracy against Tennessee, that's where we part ways on this topic.

In this battle the "blue pills" will win out over the "red pills" because it will never change.

I've never said the officiating wasn't bad when we won. Heupel made a big deal of KY's OL being allowed to hold all game last season when we beat KY. And I never said anything was a "conspiracy." The constant use of the shaming and self-preening accusation "conspiracy" is a propagated and mimicked behavior. In usage it's roughly equivalent to people in the middle ages calling someone a witch. But now it's mostly on autopilot. It's not something that people who are actually engaged in thinking participate in.

By the way when the Knoxville media pretty much had to explain Heup's long deliberate silence, they completely dropped the ball by making reference to certain statistics. They should have looked at film and showed 10 examples.

 

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[Vols410]

Check this response to Malachi Moore's apology. Now construed not to include assaulting the quarterback.
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AI detectors are garbage.

 

[knoxvol52]

I've never said the officiating wasn't bad when we won. Heupel made a big deal of KY's OL being allowed to hold all game last season when we beat KY. And I never said it was a "conspiracy." The use of "conspiracy" is a learned behavior. It's roughly equivalent to people in the middle ages calling someone a witch.

The harping about officials isn't NEARLY as bad when Tennessee wins, that's all I'm trying to say. Occasionally no harping at all.

Some individuals complain that the referee rigs the coin flip before the game.. BTW my neighbor is from Florida and he's coming over to watch the game at my house. Can't wait til he starts crying and complaining about the game.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I've never said the officiating wasn't bad when we won. Heupel made a big deal of KY's OL being allowed to hold all game last season when we beat KY. And I never said anything was a "conspiracy." The constant use of the shaming and self-preening accusation "conspiracy" is a propagated and mimicked behavior. In usage it's roughly equivalent to people in the middle ages calling someone a witch. But now it's mostly on autopilot. It's not something that people who are actually engaged in thinking participate in.

By the way when the Knoxville media pretty much had to explain Heup's long deliberate silence, they completely dropped the ball by making reference to certain statistics. They should have looked at film and showed 10 examples.

you dont believe that the officials meet and discuss tendencies?

 

[knoxvol52]

you dont believe that the officials meet and discuss tendencies?

The day I start believing the game is rigged by the officials is the day I stop watching College Sports. Period!!!

Except college baseball I will still watch it.