Recruiting Football Talk VIII

I agree, which is my primary concern. Normally I could care less, use it as opportunity to improve the staff. But after 4 years it is really evident that Heup likes to promote from within and keep his assistants as he brought some from UCF. He is a culture and fit first guy with both staff and players. Not seeing that as the path to take the next step, which was also evident against OSU and UGA. I think we have hit the ceiling as is. Will see if he has the guts to do it soon.

The coaches make too much money to not view it that way. Now the players are viewing it that way as well. Get better or lose out. Voltello understands and even Barnes took the step at his age. Heup's on the clock IMO. Hope he gets it.
Especially when you consider there's no limitation on coaching staff size anymore. He could augment to the current staff, and minimize any deficiency without actually having to fire or replace someone. Not the most ideal situation, but he could add Co-OL or Co-OC titles and just increase the pool of money for the coaching staff. Really no excuse.
 
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Facemask was up, I'm not sure how the rule is worded but this isn't the type of play the rule was instituted to prevent in my opinion.

I'm actually ok not calling that, the helmet was not used as a ram to make forceable contact or as a weapon there.

But depending on the way the rule is written this may indeed deem it should have been a penalty.......... Hope I'm making sense.

The rule doesn't really allow that kind of flexibility (see below, it's targeting based on the 3rd bullet to note 1). He made forcible contact leading with the helmet to the head/neck area. It doesn't matter that he didn't lower his helmet.

I agree it didn't look that vicious and I could understand if the rule allowed that kind of hit. It doesn't though so I have no idea what the refs were thinking.

ARTICLE 4 No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below) When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6).

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

• Launch A player leaving their feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area

• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground

• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area

• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
 
Especially when you consider there's no limitation on coaching staff size anymore. He could augment to the current staff, and minimize any deficiency without actually having to fire or replace someone. Not the most ideal situation, but he could add Co-OL or Co-OC titles and just increase the pool of money for the coaching staff. Really no excuse.
Yup - the old ways no longer apply. Keep the staff that has proven they can get it done and reward them. Add more like them. Same with the players. The preference for always starting and playing older guys who "know" your system has to go. Adjust the system to the strengths of the top talent. System first HC's and coordinators will not last in upper level positions in today's game.

The B10 figured that out after the Bama/UGA period of dominance.
 
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Yeah...Heupel is a sucky play caller...he suddenly forgot how to coach.

Funny how that happens when you don't get great QB play.
And who's fault is that? Nico is his dude. He's had him here for two years. Look, I don't know what's wrong with the offense. It's a shell of its former self. Just like the defense, it's very simplistic. Very little motion. Very little creativity. Very little deception. It seems to be even less than last year with Milton. I've said it multiple times, I'm not one of those that believe the offense left with Golesh. Something is up. I don't know why it's morphed into what it is.
 
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January 1, 1986
UT - 35
Miami - 7

All the talk leading up to the game was if Miami would be voted National Champion if #1 Penn State lost in the Orange Bowl to #3 Oklahoma (which they did). They really didn't think the Vols had much of a chance against Miami

The Game: Miami scored first using a fake punt to set up a TD pass to future Hall of Famer Michael Irvin and everyone thought that was the beginning of the end for the Big Orange.

However, that was all Miami would score as the Vols brought the pressure of nine-man blitzes and never allowed Vinny to get into the game by sacking him seven times and picking him off three times. The Vols took advantage of those turnovers and good field position to roll over Miami 35-7.

The Big Play: 7:21 in the 3rd Quarter Tennessee RB Jeff Powell blasted through the line and ran 60 yards for a TD that put the Vols up 28-7 and was pretty much the nail in the coffin.

MVP: The UT Defense. They were just all over Testaverde the whole game, giving him nowhere to run or hide. They had a great defensive stand in the 1st Quarter as Miami started on their 13. After 11 plays, Miami ended back at their 13 yard line.

You ask many fans and it is one of their favorite games of all time and people were celebrating all though Tennessee. Fans were packed at the airport for the homecoming and honking horns at the bus as they drove back to the dorms.




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Still ranks as the number one game that I was able to attend. I have rewatched the entire game multiple times over the years and it never gets old.

Absolutely no one gave the Vols a chance. It’s one of the best “upset” games ever. The Tennessee DC had the perfect game plan against a team littered with NFL talent and a future Super Bowl winning coach. Makes it that much sweeter that michael irvin wasn’t a factor ( he is a true ass and the epitome of every single thing that is wrong with sports, jmo)
 
It depends on how next year goes obviously. I saw a clear jump in quality of play the final few games this year but nothing that truly wowed me. With the right pieces and a quality OL then he should be able to ball out and get drafted next year. I just am not confident that will happen until at least mid-season.
One of two things will happen. Either Nico has a great year and goes to the draft or he has another subpar year and transfers out. I don’t see him here for the '26 season.
 
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Agreed but let’s not pretend that him and WM have not been whipping boys for the previous two years with constant, relentless people on this site screaming that Heupel should fire them because they suck. Now everyone has moved on to Ellarbee and Pope and it’s virtually identical to the chatter about Banks and WM the previous two years. Hard to blame them for looking for different opportunities. Nobody wants to be crapped on constantly by their own supposed fans even though they know it’s the vocal minority. It just creates a toxic environment and is another obstacle for the staff to overcome. The national media trolls us because of our reputation. Rant over.
 
And who's fault is that? Niko is his dude. He's had him here for two years. Look, I don't know what's wrong with the offense. It's a shell of its former self. Just like the defense, it's very simplistic. Very little motion. Very creative little deception. It seems to be even less than last year with Milton. I've said it multiple times, I'm not one of those that believe the offense left with Golesh. Something is up. I don't know why it's morphed into what it is.
What I don’t get is one of the “insiders” said heupel has evolved into an impressive HC. If this is what some call impressive then I’m even more confused by it than I was. This is not impressive, this is unimaginative and boring
 
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Agreed but let’s not pretend that him and WM have not been whipping boys for the previous two years with constant, relentless people on this site screaming that Heupel should fire them because they suck. Now everyone has moved on to Ellarbee and Pope and it’s virtually identical to the chatter about Banks and WM the previous two years. Hard to blame them for looking for different opportunities. Nobody wants to be crapped on constantly by their own supposed fans even though they know it’s the vocal minority. It just creates a toxic environment and is another obstacle for the staff to overcome. The national media trolls us because of our reputation. Rant over.
They were whipping boys because it was deserved. Last year they increased their values.
 
What I don’t get is one of the “insiders” said heupel has evolved into an impressive HC. If this is what some call impressive then I’m even more confused by it than I was. This is not impressive, this is unimaginative and boring
There's more to being a head coach than just being a good play caller. It could mean he's evolved to be better at other aspects.
 
And who's fault is that? Nico is his dude. He's had him here for two years. Look, I don't know what's wrong with the offense. It's a shell of its former self. Just like the defense, it's very simplistic. Very little motion. Very little creativity. Very little deception. It seems to be even less than last year with Milton. I've said it multiple times, I'm not one of those that believe the offense left with Golesh. Something is up. I don't know why it's morphed into what it is.
I think it’s a multitude of issues:
1) we’re still hamstrung by the scholarship reductions caused by Pruitt.
2) although I am also not a believer that Golesh was the shining star and it died with him (USF’s offense hasn’t been anything stellar and Heupel called the plays even with Golesh here), I do think the relationship b/t him and Hazel(sp) is still in development mode and that’s a hindrance.
3) we still don’t have the high caliber talent we need and Heupel, like any great coach, makes adjustments based on the talent he has. 10-3 and a playoff berth shows he’s doing well at that, even if the offense isn’t the flashy show we all came to love.
4) even though #3 is a good thing, I do think his loyalty to his coaching staff is hurting him as there is a glaring issue with our OL development and, to a lesser extent but still there, our WR development. He needs to can one (Elarbree more than Pope, imo) or both and hire some outsiders.
5) finally, I don’t buy into all the “Spyre is withholding money” BS, but I do think we’re being oversold/embellished on just how great our NIL system is. Maybe I’m wrong, but based on what I’ve personally seen, I don’t think our NIL game is as big as it’s made out to be.
 
They were whipping boys because it was deserved. Last year they increased their values.
Players and talent matter. What you inherit matters. I find it comical that the same people screaming they should be fired literally non stop for over two years are now wondering why they would leave. Nothing personal I just think it’s not helpful to constantly want to fire coaches when you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. It was literally identical to the Pope and Ellarbee echo chamber of this year. Not looking for a fight I just find it funny and tiresome.
 
He might be getting sick of the Idiot Margin dogging him no matter how well the defense plays. I mean he put a top 6 in all of CFB defense on the field and half the fanbase still hates him.
Banks gets compensated very well and if the fans bitching about his defense bothers him enough to leave, then Banks is in the wrong business. The same thing will happen at the next job Banks gets. Fans are going to be fans, all armchair fans who think they know more than the coaches.
 
I think it’s a multitude of issues:
1) we’re still hamstrung by the scholarship reductions caused by Pruitt.
2) although I am also not a believer that Golesh was the shining star and it died with him (USF’s offense hasn’t been anything stellar and Heupel called the plays even with Golesh here), I do think the relationship b/t him and Hazel(sp) is still in development mode and that’s a hindrance.
3) we still don’t have the high caliber talent we need and Heupel, like any great coach, makes adjustments based on the talent he has. 10-3 and a playoff berth shows he’s doing well at that, even if the offense is a flashy show we all came to love.
4) even though #3 is a good thing, I do think his loyalty to his coaching staff is hurting him as there is a glaring issue with our OL development and, to a lesser extent but still there, our WR development. He needs to can one (Elarbree more than Pope, imo) or both and hire some outsiders.
5) finally, I don’t buy into all the “Spyre is withholding money” BS, but I do think we’re being oversold/embellished on just how great our NIL system is. Maybe I’m wrong, but based on what I’ve personally seen, I don’t think our NIL game is as big as it’s made out to be.
When Heupel came here I thought it was a good thing because I thought he was a coach that could do more with less. His 1st two years reinforced that. The last two have called me to question that. In order to do more with less, you have to use deception, make the defense think (or offense). This team was very simplistic on both sides of the ball. That gets exposed against any team where you're outmatched talent wise. This showed up with GA and OSU.
 
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Facemask was up, I'm not sure how the rule is worded but this isn't the type of play the rule was instituted to prevent in my opinion.

I'm actually ok not calling that, the helmet was not used as a ram to make forceable contact or as a weapon there.

But depending on the way the rule is written this may indeed deem it should have been a penalty.......... Hope I'm making sense.
The rule is written for this to be a penalty. Head contact on a defenseless receiver.
 
Players and talent matter. What you inherit matters. I find it comical that the same people screaming they should be fired literally non stop for over two years are now wondering why they would leave. Nothing personal I just think it’s not helpful to constantly want to fire coaches when you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. It was literally identical to the Pope and Ellarbee echo chamber of this year. Not looking for a fight I just find it funny and tiresome.
i'm not sure how long you've followed TN. Going back to Majors, we literally ride every coordinators ass that comes through here. You think other schools are immune from that?

Clemson and Miami are steps backward. Period.

I also remember our struggles getting Banks, and appreciate his loyalty. He is a very stoic personality, very cerebral. He has increased our talent, and depth on defense. Made it a strength of the team.

Ive shown frustration in past. Not to point of firing him. If I have I cannot recall. I do tend to turn into the Hulk during football games.
 
The rule is written for this to be a penalty. Head contact on a defenseless receiver.
This. The former ref/rules guy, Matt Austin, said this OTA broadcast during the review. Said it was textbook. It’s a hit to the head/neck area of a defenseless player. Doesn’t have to be with the crown of the helmet.
 
I think it’s a multitude of issues:
1) we’re still hamstrung by the scholarship reductions caused by Pruitt.
2) although I am also not a believer that Golesh was the shining star and it died with him (USF’s offense hasn’t been anything stellar and Heupel called the plays even with Golesh here), I do think the relationship b/t him and Hazel(sp) is still in development mode and that’s a hindrance.
3) we still don’t have the high caliber talent we need and Heupel, like any great coach, makes adjustments based on the talent he has. 10-3 and a playoff berth shows he’s doing well at that, even if the offense isn’t the flashy show we all came to love.
4) even though #3 is a good thing, I do think his loyalty to his coaching staff is hurting him as there is a glaring issue with our OL development and, to a lesser extent but still there, our WR development. He needs to can one (Elarbree more than Pope, imo) or both and hire some outsiders.
5) finally, I don’t buy into all the “Spyre is withholding money” BS, but I do think we’re being oversold/embellished on just how great our NIL system is. Maybe I’m wrong, but based on what I’ve personally seen, I don’t think our NIL game is as big as it’s made out to be.
WR is a skill position. And is important to this offense, where they seem to be asked to do a lot, blocking, decoy, running screens for tough yards. But really watching Oregon, and OSU, same can be said of any offense.

Difference is - at USF - different formations, getting RB involved in passing game, short throws to cur routes underneath, or flat, then using Play Action 20-30 yards out to get in the end zone.

That is the key here. Getting into the end zone. OSU, Georgia, and even Oregon score TD's. Had we scored 1 more TD per game in 2024, how much would our season have changed?

I really think WR, again skill position, has to have talent. Period.
 
I figured you were, but that stuff matters if you want to live out there permanently.
I couldn't do the Rockies...I simply can't take the cold. If I moved out west, I would probably move somewhere in southern Arizona.

It's a purple state...but it's pretty much the desert-mountain version of Florida.

It was weird to me how much the Phoenix vibe reminds me of T-Bay.
 
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This. The former ref/rules guy, Matt Austin, said this OTA broadcast during the review. Said it was textbook. It’s a hit to the head/neck area of a defenseless player. Doesn’t have to be with the crown of the helmet.
They need to change the rule and penalty from “targeting” to “high tackle”. The neck and head should be off limits, period.
 

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