Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[volinexile17]

I'm not ranking guys based on how good they were at filling up the stat sheet. Jokic is an embarrassment defensively. His lack of defense is one of the main reasons why the Nuggets aren't an elite team in the league right now despite his otherworldly offensive numbers. Defense is 50% of the game. You can't just neglect it because it isn't as easily tracked as offensive production.

With regard to LeBron, he's only considered #2 all-time based on longevity. Similar to how Kareem used to get ranked. I don't care about longevity when rating players. I'm going by peak ability. How good were you when you were at your best. And I think Kobe Bryant at his best was a better basketball player than LeBron. Comparing bigs to perimeter players is difficult so ranking Wilt and Hakeem above LeBron is more about taste on my part for their games.

If you’re an eye test guy, your eyes should have seen Kobe suck the life out of several Lakers teams. He was a great one on one player, but his required usage and insistence on being the guy killed those teams. Drops a lot of spots for me because of that.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Aww Devo, I remember me and you giving the blue board hell on 247(my screen name was bwoods). Now we’re all grown up, time flies

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

This shows that QB ain’t all it. So those who say well only if our QB play was better blah, blah, blah. The OL fruiting is woefully behind the QB recruiting.

The right generational QB can win it all for you, not a bad method of signing the top QB every three classes or so. One of them will pop and catapult your program. But I know you’re not interested in real discussion.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The right generational QB can win it all for you, not a bad method of signing the top QB every three classes or so. One of them will pop and catapult your program. But I know you’re not interested in real discussion.

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

 

[TrippieRedd]

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

Top of my head. The closest example would be:


2017 Bama with Hurts
- Only one WR over 300 yards
- Not sure how the OL ranked thst year
- I wouldn’t fall Hurts Generational


The next closest would be 2010 Auburn with Newton.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

What generational QB has won it for their team with crappy OL and WR play? Burrow? Nope. Lawrence? Nope. Jayden Daniels was a generational QB. Did he win it? Nope. Lamar Jackson was borderline generational. Did he win it? Nope. Peyton was generational. Did he win it? Nope.

I would love to have a discussion as to how you think QBs can win it by themselves.

Cam Newton

 

[peaygolf]

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Top of my head. The closest example would be:


2017 Bama with Hurts
- Only one WR over 300 yards
- Not sure how the OL ranked thst year
- I wouldn’t fall Hurts Generational


The next closest would be 2010 Auburn with Newton.

Of course there will be sporadic examples. Scoot ding to Athlon sports, Bama had the second best OL in the nation behind OU in 2017. They also had a 1000 yard rusher and Calvin Ridley, Ruggs, Jeudy, Smith and Foster.

Going into the 2010 Auburn had the 4th best OL. They had 4 SRs and a JR starting on their OL. So their OL was upperclassmen heavy and very good.

 

[jave36]

What hurt Popeyes is they can never deliver timely service or consistent food. Lol the only fast food I have known people to wait an hour for. That is unsustainable.

Eh, not all of them are like that. Mine is fast but AWFUL. Like a super poor man's bojangles. The chicken is always tough and never hot.

The good ones are decent, but still well below bojangles, most of them aren't good at all.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Cam Newton

Had a too 5 returning OL from 2009. Starting 5 included 4 SRs and one JR. Two were all SEC first team guys. Anyone else?

 

[jave36]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Ask for what you're comfortable with getting. Never be unhappy that you might have gotten more as long as you got what you're happy with.

I'd ask for a range of what they were getting to 10k more than they were getting, as long as you'd be content with that range.

 

[jlawso21]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I assume they know that you know about the other salaries. If that's the case you might make a statement like "tell me about the salary on this position, what it pays now, what are the expected steps and when". Leave up to them to explain it. If you are not satisfied, then press them a bit more. My $02, for what it's worth.

 

[screenthis]

If you’re an eye test guy, your eyes should have seen Kobe suck the life out of several Lakers teams. He was a great one on one player, but his required usage and insistence on being the guy killed those teams. Drops a lot of spots for me because of that.

Agreed especially in the last few years. He set the Lakers back. But oh those championship runs.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Ask for what you believe you're worth.

 

[knoxvol52]

Agreed especially in the last few years. He set the Lakers back. But oh those championship runs.

Kobe had a bunch of bums playing around him the last few years. Only time I watched Kobe quote "suck the life out of the team" was when Kobe and Shaq was having a I'm better than you competition going on from 2003-2005 . Penis measuring contest at it's finest.

 

[TheRain]

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[DD4ME]

Lol

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I would carefully explain your value to them and that you know what other people in that position have been paid. I would also research similar positions at other companies in your area to try to ascertain comparison salaries and convey this information to them.
Once I had finished giving your pitch, I would then tell them that I would seriously consider taking the position if they offered me somewhere around, say ...

 

[DD4ME]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

There are lots of folks that advocate to push for every dime you can squeeze out of an org. I have seen that backfire more than anything. If you are of the new mindset of 2-3 years and jump to the next org then go high. If you seek a long term spot with the team shoot for baby bears porridge and don't look back. I learned the hard way that fighting for a dollar can prevent someone from happily giving you two. Maybe let them know you know the salary ranges and simply are asking for what they see as appropriate for your current experience. You might know the prior persons pay, but how long etc did they hold the role? What experience did they bring that maybe you don't yet.

When in doubt flip a coin. If you don't like the answer it tells you as much as if you do.

 

[hooperj75]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Do you work for a larger company? If so they typically have a formula for internal salary promotions. It is usually a range for each role and there is a midpoint target within that range. Your experience level dictates where you will fall in that range. In saying that, you have 2 advantages. First, if they go external they probably would use a recruiter which can charge 25% of the role’s salary (so you will be the cheaper option). Second, I have promoted a lot of people in my time. They almost always ask for more than my original offer (which is based on formula). I expect them to ask. Most hiring managers have a little wiggle room to increase the original offer. I have never rescinded an internal offer just because someone asks for more. I simply give them what I can and say that’s all that I can do. It won’t hurt you to ask for more. Good luck!!

 

[INKYBERRYVOL]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

Good luck, my prediction is 12% increase from current salary and make sure you don’t miss out on any annual performance incentives/ bonuses.

They know what you make but they also know what you bring to the table.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Is donte not playing at all in this shrine game?

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Career advice needed:

I'm internally applying for a position (vertical promotion).

I'm in finance, so I have access to salary pay documents. I know exactly what the last 2 folks in the position would be getting bumped up to for 2025.

My question is - should I be asking for that level of pay...or is it better to overshoot and let them drop down to that level potentially (or just get paid more than prior folks)? OR might I end up shooting myself in the foot vs a lowballing candidate asking significantly less?

There's no easy answer I suppose, but hoping someone has had an experience in this situation.

I would respectfully disagree with others who are suggesting various opinions of "ask for ???" regarding the salary pay. Even though it's an internal vs external opportunity, I would still focus all of your questions/conversation on the actual job responsibilities, how you can contribute to making it better, etc. and leave the salary discussion to them. If they bring it up during the interview, then obviously you need to be prepared to discuss it... but that's different than you actually asking for a certain salary that you would like them to meet.

Get the offer first!!! Once they offer then you can always counter, if desired, and still have the option to accept the position or not. Most positions have a salary range, so find out where your current salary would fit within the range of the new position and that will give you an idea of the growth potential within that position. Even if the initial offer isn't up to what you may want, the future increases could be significant depending on where you fall within the salary range.

 

[DD4ME]

Good grief