Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

AD has 7 seasons without bron. 5 losing season, 1 sweep in the first round and 1 1-4 in round two. But congrats he wins game with bron. That’s really hard to do

Even LeBron never won anything without 2 other Hall of Famers on his team. Winning by yourself is hard in the NBA. Nobody has ever done it. Let's see what AD does with Kyrie now. This Mavericks team will be the best supporting cast he's ever had outside of the 2019-20 Lakers.

 

[Weezer]

If you don't care about defense then don't talk about NBA basketball. Instead focus on fantasy sports. Because in real basketball defense is 50% of the game. And you can't be the best in a sport when you're not great for 50% of it.

Jokic is the greatest compiler of stats in NBA history. That's what got yall fooled. You can't get over the box score numbers and actually just analyze the game using your eyes. Defense matters and the only way to evaluate defense is to watch the games. And I dare anyone to watch Jokic play pick n rolls defense or rim protect and tell me he isn't terrible. Jokic's poor defense is the main reason the Nuggets aren't the best team in the league.

Remind me again which teams you consult and scout for

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Jokic is 4th in the NBA in steals per game.

3rd in ppg.

2nd assists pg.

3rd rebounds pg.

Steals don't make you a good defender. If it did the Nuggets wouldn't be 25th in the league in scoring defense.

Jokic is the greatest stat padder in NBA history. I'll give him that. But I have had the fortune to actually watch him play. And his defense is so putrid it makes me lose appreciation for his offensive brilliance. If you could only play one side of the ball in basketball like you do in football I might consider Jokic the GOAT center. But unfortunately for him defense is 50% of the game. And I can't say with a good conscience that a guy as bad as him defensively is the best player in the league regardless of how good his stats are.

I beg you to just watch Jokic playing defense on pick n rolls and protecting the rim against players driving the basketball and then get back to me. You'll be so disgusted by his lack of defense you'll agree with me. It's honestly embarrassing watching him try to guard.

 

[Smokey123]

Even LeBron never won anything without 2 other Hall of Famers on his team. Winning by yourself is hard in the NBA. Nobody has ever done it. Let's see what AD does with Kyrie now. This Mavericks team will be the best supporting cast he's ever had outside of the 2019-20 Lakers.

Lebron james took plenty of terrible teams deep into the playoffs. Including making it to the finals. Murray and MPJ were out all season and Jokic still lead them to a 50 win season.

But I already know your response will be “who cares they didn’t win the finals” as if there’s no difference between going 30-52 and losing in the finals

 

[Weezer]

Some people, and I'm not gonna say who, are just outta they damn mind.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Also that’s just completely and 100% wrong. Bron had a higher offrtg, lower defrtg, higher PIE. But congrats he averaged 1 more point per game, which earlier you said stats don’t matter to you

LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 mins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

Anthony Davis Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Anthony Davis. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 mins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOTALITY of the advanced stats.

 

[Smokey123]

LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 wins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

Anthony Davis Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Anthony Davis. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

www.basketball-reference.com

LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 wins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOYALITY of the advanced stats.

Uses basketball reference for advanced stats that explains a lot

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There isn’t a single team in the NBA that would trade Jokic for AD. Not a single one. AD has zero MVPs. Joker has 3 out of the last 5. AD did absolutely nothing before he teamed with LeBron. Another one of your insane takes.

You mean the same NBA that passed on Jokic for the entire first round in the 2014 draft? Citing what NBA teams would do isn't a good argument considering how many mistakes they make.

If Jokic is better than AD surely he should be able to advance further in the playoffs this year than AD on the Mavs? You just told me AD has never won anything without LeBron. So if he wins the West with Kyrie then what would you say?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lebron james took plenty of terrible teams deep into the playoffs. Including making it to the finals.

In the weak Eastern Conference. The same conference in which Jimmy Butler recently led 2 Heat teams to the Finals without another superstar. And in which Kawhi in his only season on the Raptors won a championship.

Since coming out West LeBron has missed the playoffs more often than he has made the Finals. The fugazi east is the only reason LeBron made it far with those teams. In the Western Conference those Cavs teams would have been eliminated in the first round.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Uses basketball reference for advanced stats that explains a lot

It's the leading basketball stats website. Plus argue against the content of what I posted. Unlike you who cherry picked certain stats to advance an agenda. I simply posted every advanced stat that the leading basketball stats website has listed. And when looking at those stats, the numbers are clear. Anthony Davis led the Lakers is most statistical categories.

 

[Smokey123]

In the weak Eastern Conference. The same conference in which Jimmy Butler recently led 2 Heat teams to the Finals without another superstar. And in which Kawhi in his only season on the Raptors won a championship.

Since coming out West LeBron has missed the playoffs more often than he has made the Finals. The fugazi east is the only reason LeBron made it far with those teams. In the Western Conference those Cavs teams would have been eliminated in the first round.

 

[Smokey123]

It's the leading basketball stats website. Plus argue against the content of what I posted. Unlike you who cherry picked certain stats to advance an agenda. I simply posted every advanced stat that the leading basketball stats website has listed. And when looking at those stats, the numbers are clear. Anthony Davis led the Lakers is most statistical categories.

You’re the one that’s been arguing stats don’t matter and you’re a fool if you use them. The same metrics you posted Jokic kills AD in, so which is it?

 

[screenthis]

Some people, and I'm not gonna say who, are just outta they damn mind.

Take that back....

 

[Adam Sandler]

I think this might be the one for real that hits the limits we tried to set for Nico.

I expect Nico to make a huge developmental leap this year. This guy ought to be great too.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Bleh. Really wish he woulda gone elsewhere.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Some people, and I'm not gonna say who, are just outta they damn mind.

 

[UTSuave’]

 

[UTSuave’]

In the weak Eastern Conference. The same conference in which Jimmy Butler recently led 2 Heat teams to the Finals without another superstar. And in which Kawhi in his only season on the Raptors won a championship.

Since coming out West LeBron has missed the playoffs more often than he has made the Finals. The fugazi east is the only reason LeBron made it far with those teams. In the Western Conference those Cavs teams would have been eliminated in the first round.

Interesting comment that i agree with..so in your opinion how many (legit) championships do you think LeBron has?…minus the bubble championship…

 

[knoxvol52]

Someone just PLEASE AGREE with D4H , good grief..

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I guess when you can't refute cold hard facts smileys are the only option.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You’re the one that’s been arguing stats don’t matter and you’re a fool if you use them. The same metrics you posted Jokic kills AD in, so which is it?

I'm not doing it for my benefit. It's called using your opponent's own argument against them. It's a very effective debating strategy. Now I'm ready to hear you tell me why stats don't matter after making stats the bedrock of your earlier argument.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Interesting comment that i agree with..so in your opinion how many (legit) championships do you think LeBron has?…minus the bubble championship…

He's got 3 championships. But all 3 were with super teams where he should have won. And his failures in 2011 and 2014 with the Heat are finals losses I personally don't see Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant having. Kobe in 2008 beat the Spurs coming off a championship coming with just Pau Gasol. If he has D-Wade and Bosh I don't see him losing to an older Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, and young Kawhi. Plus we all know 2011 is the most inexcusable loss by a superstar in NBA history.

 

[knoxvol52]

Bianca Censori at the Grammys.





I SHEERLY didn't expect that evening gown.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Someone just PLEASE AGREE with D4H , good grief..

No.

 

[JCVol00]

Funny thing is, this is VERY plausible. There is a solid chance that CRB will retire after this season, given his comments about ZZ and his age. Not to mention that DW and Oats have the connection from Buffalo.