Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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JCVol00 said:
Funny thing is, this is VERY plausible. There is a solid chance that CRB will retire after this season, given his comments about ZZ and his age. Not to mention that DW and Oats have the connection from Buffalo.
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I wouldn’t be against this move. But I also think claiming a well connected source is like saying a well connected source told me there’s a chance of rain tomorrow. It’s pretty much common sense DW would look at Oats given he’s a hot commodity with what he’s done at Bama and their connection. However, based on DW’s track record of hiring up and comers, I also don’t think he goes after Oats that hard unless there’s real interest from the Oats camp.
 
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JCVol00 said:
Funny thing is, this is VERY plausible. There is a solid chance that CRB will retire after this season, given his comments about ZZ and his age. Not to mention that DW and Oats have the connection from Buffalo.
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I could definitely see it. Barnes has been coaching what 40 years? And like you the comments he made about ZZ, I could easily see Barnes giving it up after this year.

Oates has ties to DW. I would love to have Oates. The great thing is when Barnes does leave, he will leave the program in fantastic shape. We are now an elite college basketball job.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
I wouldn’t be against this move. But I also think claiming a well connected source is like saying a well connected source told me there’s a chance of rain tomorrow. It’s pretty much common sense DW would look at Oats given he’s a hot commodity with what he’s done at Bama and their connection. However, based on DW’s track record of hiring up and comers, I also don’t think he goes after Oats that hard unless there’s real interest from the Oats camp.
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I wouldnt be against it either, everyone know’s barnes time is about up, and I think that’s effecting recruiting as well. Bama has been recruiting well in basketball ever since Oats arrived, and Oats would make sense for us to look at
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I could definitely see it. Barnes has been coaching what 40 years? And like you the comments he made about ZZ, I could easily see Barnes giving it up after this year.

Oates has ties to DW. I would love to have Oates. The great thing is when Barnes does leave, he will leave the program in fantastic shape. We are now an elite college basketball job.
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For sure, I think it’s a realistic possibility we look at oats when Barnes retires
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 mins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

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LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 mins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement


Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOTALITY of the advanced stats.
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Now do Jokic using the same site
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm not doing it for my benefit. It's called using your opponent's own argument against them. It's a very effective debating strategy. Now I'm ready to hear you tell me why stats don't matter after making stats the bedrock of your earlier argument.
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Stats do matter in context they’re not the end all be all. BR is the worst website to use for advanced stats. Their formula is simply based off the box score. I mean you really think Jokic has been a better defensive player than AD for the last 5 years? Cuz they do
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess when you can't refute cold hard facts smileys are the only option.
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It’s bcuz you use idiotic (arguments to validate your idiotic opinions. Your validation for AD having 1 winning without Lebron was Lebron was in a weak east? Uh ok

Pistons were elite when bron got in the league, heat had Shaq and Wade, Celtics were elite by year 3, Orlando had also went on a really good run of winning 60 games a year. You use Leonard with the raptors you realize him winning the finals means he beat the best west team, right?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Now do Jokic using the same site
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Jokic would dominante every player in NBA history based on analytics even Michael Jordan. He's the greatest statistical player in NBA history according to the advanced stats. It's why I don't use stats as the barometer for judging players. It would lead you to silly conclusions like Jokic being better than Jordan.

I only did that statistical comparison for the ignorant LeBron fans who are enamored by his stats when it benefits him but then ignore his stats when others are better.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Stats do matter in context they’re not the end all be all. BR is the worst website to use for advanced stats. Their formula is simply based off the box score. I mean you really think Jokic has been a better defensive player than AD for the last 5 years? Cuz they do
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No stats are irrelevant for anybody who watched the games. All box scores do is give people who didn't watch information about what happened in the game. However, that information will always be limited compared to actually watching the game.

Do you really need to see the box score from the Bills vs Chiefs playoff game last Sunday to know who did or didn't play well? When you watch a game closely you will have superior information to any stat sheet.

I judge players exclusively on the eye test. I watch them play and determine how good they are based on what I see in game rather than basing my opinion on what I see after the game on the stat sheet.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No stats are irrelevant for anybody who watched the games. All box scores do is give people who didn't watch information about what happened in the game. However, that information will always be limited compared to actually watching the game.

Do you really need to see the box score from the Bills vs Chiefs playoff game last Sunday to know who did or didn't play well? When you watch a game closely you will have superior information to any stat sheet.

I judge players exclusively on the eye test. I watch them play and determine how good they are based on what I see in game rather than basing my opinion on what I see after the game on the stat sheet.
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You must have a lot of time on your hands to watch hundred of thousands of hours of game film. I hope you get paid for that
 
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