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Bit of a technicality, but he got the $11k to go to East High, when Penny was the coach at East High.

Still an impermissible benefit, though.
My question is if the kid had gone to college elsewhere, would he have broken a rule? Or is it because he chose memphis and received money from a booster there?

I also wonder if the ncaa has any hard and fast definitions for making someone a booster. I mean, there surely has to be some sort of statute of limitations. Since they probably don't have these guidelines, I bet they felt the case was kind of weak anyway.

Overall though I just think it is stupid if Penny gets off completely free, considering he's now under the guise of the ncaa too and could be punished.
 
Don't insult the mighty Vandals like that. They play in one of the strangest venues in college sports. I present to you...

The Kibbie Dome

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Located in beautiful Moscow, Idaho, comrades.
Reminds me of the mini dome ETSU use to play football in.....horrible atmosphere.
 
My question is if the kid had gone to college elsewhere, would he have broken a rule? Or is it because he chose memphis and received money from a booster there?

I also wonder if the ncaa has any hard and fast definitions for making someone a booster. I mean, there surely has to be some sort of statute of limitations. Since they probably don't have these guidelines, I bet they felt the case was kind of weak anyway.

Overall though I just think it is stupid if Penny gets off completely free, considering he's now under the guise of the ncaa too and could be punished.
Penny should be punished. That "loan" should have made it impermissible to recruit Wiseman IMO as it gave him an unfair advantage. It's a legit argument to say he bought a player IMO. Whether Wiseman had any knowledge of it or not, Penny certainly did. Something he absolutely should have disclosed to the NCAA before any of this happened.
 
Sorry for the length of this post in advance. Posters can say what they want - message board. I see a lot of posts on here that bother me at times and want to address it. It's about the natural instincts and abilities of players versus what position they actually play.

CJP has the full authority to play a guy anywhere he wants if they want to be on the team and see the field. He did with Alontae Taylor. Taylor has played OK - middle of the pack SEC d-back. He may even get better and be in the NFL one day. But his natural position is WR. He doesn't demonstrate the natural instincts (yet) to break on the ball, to read the patterns/QB, to defend when the ball is in the air, etc. He does have quickness, the burst to separate and good hands. CJP knew he had quality and depth at WR, had nothing at CB, and talked Taylor into playing that position. Hope it works out for the team and Taylor's sake, but his natural position is WR.

Dools did the same thing to Teague. Teague was a prototype slot receiver who was a QB in HS. He could really do things with the ball in his hands that we will never know about because of that change. Throughout his career you could see that his natural ability and inclination was to avoid contact, to get away from the opponent. So he miserably failed as a CB. But coach worship on here said that coaches know better. Clue to some - coaches know they have to win to keep the big bucks flowing into their pockets so they will shore up poor roster talent and recruiting with moves they feel are necessary to win, even at the expense of the future of the young person who trusted them with their athletic career.

Fulmer/Chavis did the same thing with Rashad Baker, who was a natural WR that was unafraid of going over the middle and taking contact. They converted him to safety because of poor recruiting. Rashad played good, not great, at UT and well enough to make it into the NFL for an OK career because he was a quality athlete who was tough despite being undersized for the position. However, he and we will never know what he could have done at WR, his natural position.

There are many more examples that I could post, but the above makes the point. If Banks no longer desires to be a RB, that's a major factor in him not being one. However, he is a natural RB, not LB. He does not go down with initial contact with the ball in his hands, he strains to get more and punish the opponent that tries to tackle him. He is the very definition of a power back that can make a D very tired and totally focused on him, which frees up the O scheme. All he needed was work on ball security and to become more mature as a human being. CJP needed depth at ILB, so that's where he went. If he comes back and plays ILB I wish him the best for himself and the team. We will never know what could have been.

My final point is this. Each of the players listed above were recruited to play the natural position that caught the coaches eyes enough to offer a scholarship. All were offered to play their natural position at other P-5 schools. They were quality players that were athletic enough to play a different position once they arrived on campus. None of the players were given a normal period of time to develop in their natural positions before being converted and moved because the coaches were dealing with roster problems. So go easy on them as players. They are team guys that did what the coaches wanted them to do. Not sure that I would do the same, which is why I will not criticize players for transferring. It is their future careers at stake and coaches have different motives for their decisions at times. It's just the nature of the business.
I disagree with you about A Taylor. I think he is much better than middle of the pack SEC DB. Our pass rush has improved lately, but we were not getting much pressure on the QB in the beginning of the season. Now, A Taylor is hardly mentioned in a broadcast- WHICH IS A GOOD THING. VOLS are a top 25 team in passing defense and A Taylor is a big part of that.
2019 College Football Team Passing Defense Stats | ESPN
 
Penny should be punished. That "loan" should have made it impermissible to recruit Wiseman IMO as it gave him an unfair advantage. It's a legit argument to say he bought a player IMO. Whether Wiseman had any knowledge of it or not, Penny certainly did. Something he absolutely should have disclosed to the NCAA before any of this happened.

NCAA is going to pummel penny and the program.

check my stats
 
Honestly, I don't care.

I think Banks got a ridiculous over the top knee jerk reaction because of social media and he's not a bad kid. I hope he gets a second chance and wherever he ends up I'll just be happy to see him on the field. The best thing for most of these young men is to be together with their team and coaches, for most the only people that truly care about them.
 
Agree about the fumbling. Needed to get better at ball security.

Part of his lack of further opportunity is Pruitt's absolute despise of turnovers.
Not sure how many times I've heard him do that "turn the ball over once, your chances to win drop by ___%"... but a lot.

Guess you gotta be a little more lenient with the throw game but that man hates fumbles haha.
 
Part of his lack of further opportunity is Pruitt's absolute despise of turnovers.
Not sure how many times I've heard him do that "turn the ball over once, your chances to win drop by ___%"... but a lot.

Guess you gotta be a little more lenient with the throw game but that man hates fumbles haha.

Can't blame him... with interceptions it's not always as clear cut whose fault it is. Very rarely is a fumble not obviously the fault of the ball carrier. The one exception is a QB being blindsided, but even then unless he's winding up for a pass and it's just perfect timing of the hit the QB should be able to hold onto the ball.
 
I disagree with you about A Taylor. I think he is much better than middle of the pack SEC DB. Our pass rush has improved lately, but we were not getting much pressure on the QB in the beginning of the season. Now, A Taylor is hardly mentioned in a broadcast- WHICH IS A GOOD THING. VOLS are a top 25 team in passing defense and A Taylor is a big part of that.
2019 College Football Team Passing Defense Stats | ESPN
A Taylor seems to be playing with more confidence the past 3 games or so. Not that we have played great passing offenses but he has a bit of swagger now...good for a DB.
 
Part of his lack of further opportunity is Pruitt's absolute despise of turnovers.
Not sure how many times I've heard him do that "turn the ball over once, your chances to win drop by ___%"... but a lot.

Guess you gotta be a little more lenient with the throw game but that man hates fumbles haha.
I do agree with Nick to a small degree. The fire Banks showed was a plus with me, but I also think he was a better back when comparing freshmen vs freshmen on field performance. Banks could block in the pass game and could pick up extra yards after contact and he ran behind a terrible OL. That's not saying that Gray won't end up being better in the long run, but he hasn't been in comparison to 1st year performance.....

Disclaimer: Gray has better ball security.... +1
 
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