Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[jave36]

Missouri is a fair comparison, I suppose. But I don’t think we’d settle for that here. 2013 and 2014 are historical outliers for them. Since then they’ve been 5-7, 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 and 2-1 to start this year.

They finish 2nd in the east this year I think. They get UF at home in the cold, and I think they can beat usc

 

[bignewt]

Half the fans dropped Butch after Florida. I was done after UGA. That showed me the party was over

I was with you and it really really sucked because I liked him and what they had done. Just one more reason I despise Florida, that one game, hell that one play set us back years.

 

[jave36]

So does this make Kentucky a thug school?

Kash Daniel - Football - University of Kentucky Athletics

Depends how they handle it

 

[Vfl2407]

Yep - gotta recruit with the big dogs to have a chance. Especially if you have a coaching disadvantage.

We need bag men to help Nieds bring in the really big fish.
We should give Dish Network and Pilot Oil coupon handshakes to the recruits.

 

[Catbone]

We all get caught in the expectation of linear growth

5-7
7-5
9-3
14-1
15-0... forever

Life doesn’t work that way. The first two games were clear regression. It doesn’t mean pull the plug. This will be messy and may get uglier before it improves again but I’m fully onboard the 5 year plan this time.

Unless he literally goes winless I don't think there is an option. We can't afford another coach

 

[LA Vol]

We're walking a tightrope. The young and inexperienced players will get better as the season goes on... but we have depth issues. As players get banged up, we risk losing key players at critical times. The drop-off could hurt us if a starter is injured, even for a game or two. We're in SEC play now, and the margin for error is thin. We need to get the early wins. The opportunities are there and the team is healthy.

The season can turn in The Swamp. The Gators find ways to win. The Vols can do the same. Generally, we don't, but that can change. One game at a time.

 

[Volator]

You just cannot compare players from different eras. There are too many variables that you can't account for. FTR, this is directed more towards Volator than you.

Don’t disagree though I was not the one who stated 2nd greatest vol defensive. Moving on

 

[drvenner]

Well... We're off to a good start today I see...
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You sound surprised? Honestly, if we finished 10-2 there would still be morons complaining about the first two losses.

 

[engineerVOL]

Depends how they handle it

They shouldn’t do anything.

Shoe on the other foot (pun intended) I’d argue like crazy against Tennessee punishing our player. He looked like he thought about it then realized his poor decision.

We’ve seen worse, it’s a non story to me.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Unless he literally goes winless I don't think there is an option. We can't afford another coach

It’s going to be interesting to see the fan reaction if we get to the doomsday point of 1-7 or something similar. We’ve never been out of bowl contention so quickly and we’ll see how the season ticket holders respond.

 

[drvenner]

That looks very bad. Totally inexcusable and dirty, IMO.

 

[drvenner]

Don’t disagree though I was not the one who stated 2nd greatest vol defensive. Moving on

Valid point. Now, I am moving on also.

 

[SLICKYINC]

They shouldn’t do anything.

Shoe on the other foot (pun intended) I’d argue like crazy against Tennessee punishing our player. He looked like he thought about it then realized his poor decision.

We’ve seen worse, it’s a non story to me.

Wasn't a huge deal until he went out there and lied yesterday. I don't care either way but he should have just kept his mouth shut.

 

[drvenner]

I think I saw Chico Canales working at a car wash last week.

I am still mad at myself for talking myself into believing that was a good hire.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Florida is not good. It kills me to not pick Tennessee for the win

 

[drvenner]

Dude you have to admit that losing to Florida on the last play of the game irrevocably broke the team. If that doesn't happen I would say that CBJ is still our coach, for better or for worse. Now can we please move on from the 16th million conversation about past coaches' tenures here?

There is no way you can know that. That team was so bad. The loss at Florida did not help, but they had 0 resiliency. They would have wilted a week later when something bad happened.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yes, we can develop guys... but recruiting is how you get them. The better the player, the faster the development. We need elite playmakers at the skill positions. We're losing some of our best ones. And some of the guys we have may never develop to the level we need to win in the SEC. We have to recruit over them.

The Rick Barnes strategy would have worked better a coach or two ago-- and won't work as well in football. Not at Tennessee. Not now. We're already two years into another rebuild and losing fatigue has set in. The engine has stalled, and it's time to start fixing it.

In case you haven't noticed, we're getting top players. Ramel Keyton is on this roster, Eric Gray is on this roster. Tee Hodge is in the 2020 class as well as a few receivers. We are still players for Rakim Jarrett as well. Lets not forget that BJ Ojulari, Harrison Bailey, and others are in this class also. It isn't like he's recruiting like KY.

The point is, we can't recruit with Bama and GA yet. But we will if we develop the guys we have and start winning. That's what was wrong with the intern. His first 2 classes were strong, but recruits began to see through him because he couldn't win and he couldn't develop guys and as soon as Dobbs, Hurd, Malone, Barnett, Kamara and others left, we went 4-8 because there was no building happening. There was no development taking place, and the recruits new it and wouldn't come here.

I don't believe that will happen under Pruitt. I believe this is a staff that builds a program by developing players and having them ready to play. That is why Clemson is where they are. They recruited in the top 15, not top 5, but they built that program by developing their players and recruiting quality players at key positions. Now they are able to recruit top 5.

 

[Smokeytom]

Yes, we can develop guys... but recruiting is how you get them. The better the player, the faster the development. We need elite playmakers at the skill positions. We're losing some of our best ones. And some of the guys we have may never develop to the level we need to win in the SEC. We have to recruit over them.

The Rick Barnes strategy would have worked better a coach or two ago-- and won't work as well in football. Not at Tennessee. Not now. We're already two years into another rebuild and losing fatigue has set in. The engine has stalled, and it's time to start fixing it.

 

[bignewt]

There is no way you can know that. That team was so bad. The loss at Florida did not help, but they had 0 resiliency. They would have wilted a week later when something bad happened.

No way for either us to know, that's why it's called opinion.

 

[Aesius]

It’s going to be interesting to see the fan reaction if we get to the doomsday point of 1-7 or something similar. We’ve never been out of bowl contention so quickly and we’ll see how the season ticket holders respond.

Ugh. This conversation has me circling back to the idea that we're just stuck with no way out. Pruitt absolutely needed those GSU and BYU games. Absolutely had to have a bowl appearance this year to keep things moving forward. 1-7 is very realistic and terrifying, because Pruitt will look like a stone cold loser to everyone in America.

Not sure where we would go from there. Roster would be only slightly better in 2020, especially if HB isn't the stud everyone thinks he is. Then we miss another bowl game, the roster is in atrocious shape, and the Dave Doerens of the world don't even return Fulmer's phone calls.

 

[drvenner]

Busy with real life. Don’t feel like reading and arguing gloom and doom with message board experts.

GBO!

I thought you might have been at a park, doing recreation or something.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Florida week and this place is still talking about coaching searches and records.

Meanwhile Florida fans are......

He doesn't read apparently... "misdemeanor" uh, he argued with his girlfriend. He didn't strangle a tutor, commit credit card fraud, and whatever else has been going on in Gainesville.

 

[drvenner]

Canales loved Knoxville and UT. He considered it a privilege to coach here and gave much of his time to helping others in the community as well as the players. Wish others who have better resumes cared as much as he did.

That's well and good. He was still a bad coach here.

 

[Aesius]

He doesn't read apparently... "misdemeanor" uh, he argued with his girlfriend. He didn't strangle a tutor, commit credit card fraud, and whatever else has been going on in Gainesville.

"time to die"

- UF legend Chris Rainey

 

[drvenner]

Yea this post by a message board expert named @Ron Swanson was interesting to say the least




“There won’t be 50k in Neyland vs UTC and Fulmer will have to make some changes. Slide Pruitt over to DC, fire a couple assistants, kick 5-10 guys off the team, Fulmer is HC and let’s roll.”

Bruin, I think you need to look at Ron's body of work. We can all find posts of our own that we made in the heat of the moment.