Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Cosmo Kramer]

Busy with real life. Don’t feel like reading and arguing gloom and doom with message board experts.

GBO!

Ron Swanson can’t half ass Volnation and real life. Ron Swanson has been whole assing real life

 

[LA Vol]

The season pivots on UF and MSU. To get the recruiting class we need, we have to find ways to win games like these. We have UF at a good spot in the season, we're as healthy as we're going to be, we just came off a win and we have all our playmakers on deck. If the game comes down to the wire, I'd take JJ, Trey and Cimaglia over anybody on their team. If JJ can will us to a win, he will.

 

[BruinVol]

Busy with real life. Don’t feel like reading and arguing gloom and doom with message board experts.

GBO!

Yea this post by a message board expert named @Ron Swanson was interesting to say the least




“There won’t be 50k in Neyland vs UTC and Fulmer will have to make some changes. Slide Pruitt over to DC, fire a couple assistants, kick 5-10 guys off the team, Fulmer is HC and let’s roll.”

 

[bignewt]

Most great coaches will tell you:

developing your players >>>>>>>> recruiting

 

[Chuckie]

Canales loved Knoxville and UT. He considered it a privilege to coach here and gave much of his time to helping others in the community as well as the players. Wish others who have better resumes cared as much as he did.

I mean, that probably describes 95+% of the people on this board...and Tennessee fans in general. Doesn't mean we should have a position on the coaching staff.

I don't know if Nick Saban loves Tuscaloosa, but I'm sure their fans could give two sh!ts if he does or doesn't...just win, baby!

 

[millst987]

That kash dude needs to be done, so awful

 

[BruinVol]

The season pivots on UF and MSU. To get the recruiting class we need, we have to find ways to win games like these. We have UF at a good spot in the season, we're as healthy as we're going to be, we just came off a win and we have all our playmakers on deck. If the game comes down to the wire, I'd take JJ, Trey and Cimaglia over anybody on their team. If JJ can will us to a win, he will.

If we can win 1 of those 2 we have a shot to save this season

 

[eVOLve]

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Most great coaches will tell you:

developing your players >>>>>>>> recruiting

Looks like we're going to have to go the Rick Barnes route. He landed some absolute monsters in that 2019 class. He's going to land a few in the 2020 class as well, but depending on the season, maybe not as many as last year. Thankfully, he has an eye for talent.

Develop these guys, get us to where we're winning respectably, and when that happens, the top talent guys will come and things will only get better. I fully expect this defense by 2021 to be a top 15 defense in the country when Pruitt has his guys in here. Then, our OL is going to be absolutely nasty with the Wanya and Wright and the other young guys who will still be here, finally being able to develop over that time. They'll have Bailey throwing behind them. This team will get a lot better and when they do, the 5 stars will come.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

Banchero is number 1 PF in 2021 class

 

[RiotVol]

That kash dude needs to be done, so awful

I sent this to one of my UK buddies, and he was like, “I don’t know what he was thinking. Their third string qb would probably hurt us more than their second string.”

 

[jakez4ut]

Long but here's why I'm good Pruitt right now.
After having read mostly all your posts since his hiring, I'm not even gonna comment on "we all like Pruitt".

But yes, we absolutely should have beaten Ga State. A rookie HC mistake that I don't expect to see again.

The differences
1. This is truly his 1st time as HC at any major level, not just his 1st year at TN.

2. The fall has gotten worse as time goes on. Butch brought a decent uplift but not "getting back" then, just made it even harder.

3. I don't expect CJP to be an overnight fix all. There's 2 kinds of good coaches, the dynamic genius offense like a Leach or Meyer. Then there's the Richt, Saban style of just building a strong and fundamental FB team.
Looking at our staff, that's the Pruitt plan. It will take longer but if he succeeds, we'll be a good PROGRAM, not a team reliant on 1 certain coach and that falls apart when they leave.

or a player or specific group of players......when they inevitably depart the program.

if you're going to get on the pruitt bandwaggon, you're playing the long game at this point. it's pretty clear this isn't a quick fix....

which is fine, like you said....just means there's a lot in the TBD department.

 

[drvenner]

What’s do you consider everyone else’s first year been?

Bad, LOL, for sure.

 

[jakez4ut]

No disagreement.
He's screwed up about to the tune that I expected, except for Ga State. That was huge but we at least got lucky that it was game 1.

Keep looking as good and improved as we have since, and I expect we can salvage a good class. Especially if we sneak an upset somewhere. More riding on QB play than I'm comfortable with, if I'm being honest.

yep.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Wait we are now setting the hope at 4 wins or more?

Good grief

I don’t even have a number anymore.

For me, and I already know it’s lame, it is about progress.

I want to see the team grow. The depth build. The talent play and get experience at every position.

I want to see smart coaching decisions.

I want to see creative play calling to get your players in a position to succeed.

The wins will come if we do that, but I know they are not coming this year so pointless to actually put a number on it.

 

[Volator]

Don’t be that guy.

What guy? Someone who has been a Vol fan over 50 years (first game I saw was against Vandy in Nashville circa 65 or 66) and has a different opinion. Could have included Jackie Walker in my original post as I don’t think he gets the respect he deserves for his time on the hill.

 

[drvenner]

Don’t be that guy.

You just cannot compare players from different eras. There are too many variables that you can't account for. FTR, this is directed more towards Volator than you.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don’t even have a number anymore.

For me, and I already know it’s lame, it is about progress.

I want to see the team grow. The depth build. The talent play and get experience at every position.

I want to see smart coaching decisions.

I want to see creative play calling to get your players in a position to succeed.

The wins will come if we do that, but I know they are not coming this year so pointless to actually put a number on it.

i don't know they won't come...but in merit, yeah, i agree.... i don't have a number any more either.

it's literally a week to week proposition at this point. put your best foot forward and see what happens. we've already been unpleasantly surprised.....maybe we get a few pleansant ones frome here on out???

 

[drvenner]

Butch last season fell apart not bc of lack of quality players. If John kelly catches a wide open dump off pass, you beat Florida in the swamp. Shi* went south quick after that.

I think it goes south, regardless, but that play did not help. Don't forget that we really should have lost to GT. We were very close to 3-9.

 

[drvenner]

Where has cfa been??

You can't sit Ty or Gray for CFA. If he comes in for one play, they probably know he is going to jet sweep.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Wait we are now setting the hope at 4 wins or more?

Good grief

I don’t think anyone said that at all. I believe they/we are saying that Pruitt needs to win at least four to be safe. I honestly am not sure how safe he is with four. I remember some of our insiders saying that he needed to win at least 7-8 or people would be upset and now they are not posting as much... I know for a fact some are already questioning what to do after we lost to BYU. I hope Pruitt salvages this season and we make a bowl because we need it!

 

[bignewt]

I think it goes south, regardless, but that play did not help. Don't forget that we really should have lost to GT. We were very close to 3-9.

if that franks duck isn't caught we are 4-0 going into the georgia game, probably lose yes but I bet we beat south carolina the next week. Would have been a polar opposite season.

 

[drvenner]

So what happens if we lose - or lose big? Is it coaching?

What happens if we win, or win big? Either way, it's likely collective responsibility. That is typically what happens when you have a team. Neither the coaches nor the players should get all of the credit or all of the blame.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I don’t even have a number anymore.

For me, and I already know it’s lame, it is about progress.

I want to see the team grow. The depth build. The talent play and get experience at every position.

I want to see smart coaching decisions.

I want to see creative play calling to get your players in a position to succeed.

The wins will come if we do that, but I know they are not coming this year so pointless to actually put a number on it.

I want to see us playing better in November than we are right now. That would show improvement. That's what we were lacking last year. We didn't get better, we got worse. Now, some of that may be due to injuries and guys being tired because of our lack of depth. But if we have our worst game of the season against Vandy, I'm going to be very disappointed. We need a strong November and having one would really help recruiting. As Fulmer used to say, "They remember what you do in November."

 

[drvenner]

if that franks duck isn't caught we are 4-0 going into the georgia game, probably lose yes but I bet we beat south carolina the next week. Would have been a polar opposite season.

I don't agree, but we will never know. That Florida team sucked. Butch would have butched it the rest of the year, IMO.