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We couldn't run because they loaded the box with blue chips to force JG into throwing. Yes, our OL got outmatched, but if we're going to make excuses for JG, I'm going to point out it was 7 against 5 for our OL. Our RBs can't even break tackles half the time so they sure as hell can't block. JG needs to learn when to secure the ball. It's not like this is a new thing for him. <cough> Bama Game <cough>


We couldn’t run the ball even when they didn’t stack the box. Their d line absolutely dominated our o line. It’s on the coaches to teach protections to our guys and we haven’t seen those lessons show up on tape yet outside of a few lineman. And if Jg secures those balls that he fumbled people would still bitch at him for
Not getting the ball out soon enough. The bottom line is this ain’t all JG’s fault, their is plenty of blame
To go around
 
JG come back for another year?
I dont believe anyone wants him back, even if he wanted to come back.
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We couldn’t run the ball even when they didn’t stack the box. Their d line absolutely dominated our o line. It’s on the coaches to teach protections to our guys and we haven’t seen those lessons show up on tape yet outside of a few lineman. And if Jg secures those balls that he fumbled people would still bitch at him for
Not getting the ball out soon enough. The bottom line is this ain’t all JG’s fault, their is plenty of blame
To go around
One, he doesn't get the ball out fast enough. That's a legitimate gripe. Two, better to secure the ball and take a sack than fumble. It's his fault. If the ball is in his hands, it's his job to protect it. No excuses.
 
One, he doesn't get the ball out fast enough. That's a legitimate gripe. Two, better to secure the ball and take a sack than fumble. It's his fault. If the ball is in his hands, it's his job to protect it. No excuses.


By that logic, it’s the o lines job to protect JG, if they don’t do their job than JG can’t do his. It’s a team game for a reason. And count out the seconds on those strip sacks and tell me you honestly believe JG had time to make the descion to tuck it and take a sack? It’s everybody's job to protect the football.
 
It’s crazy that our 3 big rivals are Bama, UF, and UGA...and to beat and even be competitive with them we basically have to be national title contending elite. In the 90’s it was just UF at that level, now the landscape has added two more.

This is an uphill climb across the board and I really have to wonder if or how long we can get over the hump. UGA and Bama just stacking 5-star after 5-star and reloading every year is brutal.
 
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One, he doesn't get the ball out fast enough. That's a legitimate gripe. Two, better to secure the ball and take a sack than fumble. It's his fault. If the ball is in his hands, it's his job to protect it. No excuses.
Exactly. If it was a running back he wouldn't get any more carries. See Jeremy Banks.
 
At this point there is ample evidence on what JG gives you. He's is what he is. He's an average qb at best. He's simply not good enough to overcome other deficiencies on the offense. As a matter of fact he exacerbates the deficiencies. He got no help from the O-line and certainly not the play calling. But he's simply not able to overcome those things.

I love the kid. I truly believe he's doing his best but his best is not what this team needs to take another step. No sense in beating a dead horse here. Just come to the realization that if JG plays, we're just not good enough as a team to beat the best teams on our schedule.

I think we're probably good enough to beat the lower half of the schedule. I think we can compete and we'll win half of the mid tier teams. We'll lose to the upper tier teams.

I think we'll probably lose 3-4 more, lose to Bama and Florida and split Texas A&M and Auburn, beat the rest.

Nothing would surprise me though.

As usual things are never as good or bad as they seem.
 
By that logic, it’s the o lines job to protect JG, if they don’t do their job than JG can’t do his. It’s a team game for a reason. And count out the seconds on those strip sacks and tell me you honestly believe JG had time to make the descion to tuck it and take a sack? It’s everybody's job to protect the football.
Do you watch Vol football? It's not as if yesterday was the first time JG struggled. Take the excuses elsewhere, I'm done. Unlike some, I believe in personal responsibility. This whole team needs to do a gut check, but none more so than JG. He **** the bed yesterday. That's his fault. Own it.
 
Exactly. If it was a running back he wouldn't get any more carries. See Jeremy Banks.
When a WR fails to catch a ball that hits him in the hands it's not his fault, it's the QB. Same logic. Excuses are easy and weak. I'm tired of them. Tired of people still making excuses for JG with multiple big games as evidence to his deficiencies.
 
Do you watch Vol football? It's not as if yesterday was the first time JG struggled. Take the excuses elsewhere, I'm done. Unlike some, I believe in personal responsibility. This whole team needs to do a gut check, but none more so than JG. He **** the bed yesterday. That's his fault. Own it.


Evidently I watch it more than you, any football guy with a lick of knowledge can tell you yesterday wasn’t on JG. And besides JG is the only reason we put up 14 points so idn want to hear it. Y’all all automatically think a new QB Is gonna magically fix all our other deficiencies, NEWS FLASH it won’t. Y’all can talk ish about JG all u want but to blame him for that loss is the stupidest thing one could do. Strips sacks in the pocket more often than not means that a guy got in the backfield WAY sooner than he should of.
 
Again - JMO.

Mizzou found a QB against us. They tried somebody different. It was obvious he was the right guy for them even though he was not experienced. He learned from the first game and played lights out against a bad LSU D. It's not just the scheme or LSU's bad D, he is a playmaker. You could tell it the minute he came on the field against us.

Georgia found a QB in their first game. They tried somebody different when the O struggled. Somebody that even Georgia thought would be their 3rd or 4th choice. Undersized, not highly recruited. We experienced how much better he is than JG. It's not just the scheme, he is a playmaker.

Ole Miss found a QB. Kiffin conducted a tryout on the field in games. Corral is playing at a high level against strong competition as a sophomore - unlike JG. It's not just the scheme, he is a playmaker.

What are the common denominators? All three of those QB's are playmakers in different schemes. They fit the scheme and make plays outside of the scheme. The other denominator is their HC's were willing to try and make changes at the most important position on the field - during games. Then, they trusted the new QB to start and play well in the following games even if they had to take their lumps early on. Jeremy has not been willing to do that.

The QB is responsible to make calls at the LOS with what he sees from the D's. He cannot always look to the sideline and be told by coaches. Late shifts by the front 7 in particular can disrupt the later. JG has never been able to handle it. He is apparently unable to count the number of defenders in box or see the gaps they will be rushing in games. he definitely has zero feel for the role. The QB cannot always lock on his primary receiver in intermediate routes, which JG does, which leads to sacks, strips and stupid picks. Yes, Chaney did not help things with his play calling in the second half. But it was primarily because of who the QB is. He cannot throw well on the run and is not a threat for running with RPO's. That scheme would have helped to take away some of the strength of UGA's front seven.

We will lose against better competition because our D gets worn down from being on the field too much. By the 4th quarter they are tired and if behind, have lost the fight to come back because they know what they see out of the O. Against lesser competition, they will still have a chance.

So expect more of the same the rest of the season. They will get one half of production from JG like always. In general it will either be the first half based on good game prep by the staff, or, it will be the second half based on good adjustments made by the staff.

I will save recruiting to needs for another post another day. Jeremy is succeeding in some position groups and failing in a couple so far.
 
Evidently I watch it more than you, any football guy with a lick of knowledge can tell you yesterday wasn’t on JG. And besides JG is the only reason we put up 14 points so idn want to hear it. Y’all all automatically think a new QB Is gonna magically fix all our other deficiencies, NEWS FLASH it won’t. Y’all can talk ish about JG all u want but to blame him for that loss is the stupidest thing one could do. Strips sacks in the pocket more often than not means that a guy got in the backfield WAY sooner than he should of.
Yeah, anyone with a lick of knowledge recognizes two pretty damn good catches on the other end of those passes. LMAO at JG being the "only reason". I normally try to play nice, but you're clowning now.
 
BTW, I think we can safely say who on the board must have some relation with JG. The contortionism involved in the excuses is quite impressive, but utterly pointless.

It’s clear they’re going to keep trotting him out there game after game, regardless. Honestly, I’m at the point where I don’t blame people for trying to convince themselves that he’s good.
 
Evidently I watch it more than you, any football guy with a lick of knowledge can tell you yesterday wasn’t on JG. And besides JG is the only reason we put up 14 points so idn want to hear it. Y’all all automatically think a new QB Is gonna magically fix all our other deficiencies, NEWS FLASH it won’t. Y’all can talk ish about JG all u want but to blame him for that loss is the stupidest thing one could do. Strips sacks in the pocket more often than not means that a guy got in the backfield WAY sooner than he should of.


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It's everybody but JG's fault, and he's the ONLY reason we scored. Yeah, you know a lot about football.
 
It’s crazy that our 3 big rivals are Bama, UF, and UGA...and to beat and even be competitive with them we basically have to be national title contending elite. In the 90’s it was just UF at that level, now the landscape has added two more.

This is an uphill climb across the board and I really have to wonder if or how long we can get over the hump. UGA and Bama just stacking 5-star after 5-star and reloading every year is brutal.

Cycles. We are on the same talent level with UF....doesn't mean we beat them, especially if Sham or Slaughter cant cover their TE, Pitts. Maybe put Bryce on him all game and let George man the outside.

They UF is really only better than us at QB. That's a pretty big deal but we can possibly neutralize that with good D and keeping them off the field with the running game.

We played with UGA for a half but their overall talent and our deficiency at QB and our OL playing like pu**is did us in. How does a veteran OL with that size not get any push on any play in the run game? Pass pro was at least good in first half.

Pleasantry surprised by the DL and edge guys(other than DJ) but Morven Joseph needs to be playing ILB. He showed enough speed to cover slot WRs and RBs. Banks is usually there by still gives up the play and Crouch is to slow....needs to pull a Henry T. and trim down. Starting to think he should have been a RB....definitely doesn't look like a former #1 recruit at one time.
 
0-34 against top ten is so misleading. It is probably more like 0-28 against #1-#3 teams and 0-6 against #4 - #10. When we play a "top ten" team they are usually actually a top 5 team. And usually, one of those teams we lose to ends up in the national championship. Not that it makes it any better, but just pointing out that the fact that we've even had 34 match-ups against top ten teams in 14 years is insane. What other team has to deal with that?
 
0-34 against top ten is so misleading. It is probably more like 0-28 against #1-#3 teams and 0-6 against #4 - #10. When we play a "top ten" team they are usually actually a top 5 team. And usually, one of those teams we lose to ends up in the national championship. Not that it makes it any better, but just pointing out that the fact that we've even had 34 match-ups against top ten teams in 14 years is insane. What other team has to deal with that?

I keep seeing this, but wasn’t South Carolina ranked in the top 10 in one of the polls in 2013?
 
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Something else about the game, on more than one occasion JG bumbled handoffs. Was it JG or was it the RBs? I don't know, but if your QB is having trouble with exchanges, that's a problem. (Add it too JG's long list)

Those were issues with getting the snaps cleanly.
Nothing To do with the RBs
 
0-34 against top ten is so misleading. It is probably more like 0-28 against #1-#3 teams and 0-6 against #4 - #10. When we play a "top ten" team they are usually actually a top 5 team. And usually, one of those teams we lose to ends up in the national championship. Not that it makes it any better, but just pointing out that the fact that we've even had 34 match-ups against top ten teams in 14 years is insane. What other team has to deal with that?
That’s exactly what I was thinking
The fact we’ve played that many top ranked teams in that time frame is more intriguing imo
 
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