Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[InVOLuntary]

Let me qualify that a little bit. Maybe he's looking at what he perceives as winnable games and changing his strategy based on that.

 

[jakez4ut]

Let me qualify that a little bit. Maybe he's looking at what he perceives as winnable games and changing his strategy based on that.

maybe, and if so, i think i like that less......lol.

 

[MarcoVol]

Jeremy Pruitt's reasoning for not playing young players is a good sign for Vols

So Pruitt's saying there are bigger stronger and faster players on our team, but he won't play them because they haven't earned it.

This is a big nothing burger and is how it works.

Coaches make you earn your playing time. You can be more physically gifted than an upperclassmen or any other underclassmen for that matter, but if you’re not earning your PT the other 6 days of the week then you don’t get PT.

That’s just how I read the situation.

That being said I hope we see the young guys more after the bye.

 

[jakez4ut]

Tua wasn't sitting to learn, he was just behind Hurts. When Hurts was struggling Saban didn't hesitate to pull him for the FR.

There are lots of recent examples of true FR that excelled right away at QB. Watson and Lawrence at Clemson, Slovis, Ehlinger, Howell.

Its not like it used to be with QBs. Most of these guys have had QB coaches since they were little and they play in much more advanced offenses in high school than they ever did before. Lots of them are prepared to come in and play right away.

it's hard not to be aware of all this and also understand HB has been training like that for the majority of his formative years....so imo, he is of htat same ilk as far as where he is/should be on the curve.....

it still doesn't replace the fact that he missed the entire off season....his first off season...in a college program.

those other guys did not miss a thing.

 

[MarcoVol]

And then he can't figure out why we get embarrassed by UK. Sad

Just being picky here but your post doesn’t make any sense.

Comparing the number of 3 stars we have vs Bama, UGA, and LSU is one thing. But we’ve had higher rated classes than UK every year since the beginning of time. Not sure how UK factors into this equation.

 

[BruinVol]

I've come to the conclusion he's looking at this year totally different than us fans. He's willing to sacrifice this year to continue to instill his philosophy for next year and beyond. He is making his players earn it through their work ethic Sunday-Friday. I really don't think he gives a dam about this year. This is a 10 game scrimmage for him. You could tell it by the game plan against Alabama.

It’s year 3. If a coach is still changing the culture as it comes to expectations as you say that coach failed miserable in the first two years.

 

[InVOLuntary]

maybe, and if so, i think i like that less......lol.

Got to let the man do his thing. He's the one responsible for the outcome. I've said all along that I don't think the University of Tennessee should be the proving grounds for up-and-coming coaches. I've said I thought he wasn't ready and the learning curve is steep. I said after last year's start, I didn't see him making it past his first contract. He lost me after the first two games. Having said that he gained me back by how we competed in the other games and the stretch run of wins we had to close out the season. well, he's lost me again. He really hasn't lost me he's just lost my confidence that he can make it. Maybe he wins out. Half the season left to go. Let's cheer them to do that. What choice do we have?

 

[InVOLuntary]

It’s year 3. Of a coach is still changing the culture as it comes to expectations as you say that coach failed miserable in the first two years.

Can't argue with that but I think it has more to do with instilling culture of the new guys than it does changing the culture. I mean we really are discussing playing the freshmen.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

it's hard not to be aware of all this and also understand HB has been training like that for the majority of his formative years....so imo, he is of htat same ilk as far as where he is/should be on the curve.....

it still doesn't replace the fact that he missed the entire off season....his first off season...in a college program.

those other guys did not miss a thing.

I think they could pare down the playbook like they have with JG. JG is not a threat to run, and does not make the right read or throws. JG is nothing more than a game manager at QB. The team is in need of a play maker at QB. Just imagine if Dobbs was the starting QB right now....we would be 3 - 1 at worst.

 

[BruinVol]

Tua wasn't sitting to learn, he was just behind Hurts. When Hurts was struggling Saban didn't hesitate to pull him for the FR.

There are lots of recent examples of true FR that excelled right away at QB. Watson and Lawrence at Clemson, Slovis, Ehlinger, Howell.

Its not like it used to be with QBs. Most of these guys have had QB coaches since they were little and they play in much more advanced offenses in high school than they ever did before. Lots of them are prepared to come in and play right away.

I agree there are plenty of examples of each side of this. It really depends on the individual but it’s entirely reasonable to think HB needs a year to sit, watch and learn and will be better off because of it

 

[KPT_VFL]

7-3 still on the table, let’s go big win coming Saturday!

GBO

Love beating the bye week. I’ll consider it a loss to the bye week if JG starts vs Ark.

 

[Blake25p]

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[BruinVol]

Can't argue with that but I think it has more to do with instilling culture of the new guys than it does changing the culture. I mean we really are discussing playing the freshmen.

I said the other night I interpreted the quote just to mean he wasn’t going to throw guys into the rotation that miss a lot of practice time due to injury or Covid

I didn’t take it to me some proclamation of more than anything else than wanting guys on the practice field regularly.

that first spring We were all very happy with how few players missed time unlike the previous staff. I’m far from a Pruitt apologist right now but I think this has been his approach all
Along and the quote has been blown out of proportion

 

[butchna]

I guess it’s ok to get blown out three weeks in a row? And everyone will still be around. Some just don’t like to pretend everything is all sunshine and rainbows when things are going bad.

Such a default. How about reasonable solutions instead of FAHR EVERYBODY?

 

[butchna]

Do you think Les Miles would ever get fired from Kansas?

Mark Magino won games and got fired...so yeah. It’ll take awhile considering recent history but it will happen.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I've come to the conclusion he's looking at this year totally different than us fans. He's willing to sacrifice this year to continue to instill his philosophy for next year and beyond. He is making his players earn it through their work ethic Sunday-Friday. I really don't think he gives a dam about this year. This is a 10 game scrimmage for him. You could tell it by the game plan against Alabama.

Based on the effort the past 2 weeks, his philosophy and their work ethic sucks. I mean, can we at least get a little 63 strain, amirite?

 

[Chuckie]

Sometimes I have to find a different outlet to express my feelings. This is corny AF, and is to the tune of "The Ballad of Hank Williams"

Tee tell us how it really was when you was workin' with daddy Phil

Well in 2020 things were all out of sorts
‘Cause of some virus that damn near shut down sports
We was stacked six deep in the offense film review
Looking for some answers; needing more than a few

We couldn’t rep our QBs in the spring or the fall
But we had some good receivers, the OL looked like it could ball.
And Jim said soon he'd make us all rich
And we started believin' that fat sum bitch

Now daddy Phil told Jer’my if you wanna be the guy
Better start a different QB, even if he’s learning on the fly
But we stuck with #2 even though it seemed insane,
And even in his sixth year he couldn’t seem to use his brain.

Then Phil fired my ass and he fired Chris Weinke
And he fired everybody just as hard as he could go
He fired old Chaney and he fired Jer’my Pruitt
And he fired some people that he didn't even know

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

The reality is we need to improve a lot over the next two weeks and then beat down Arkansas handily. The only way to fix it is to pull your big boy pants on and go and get it done. Beat Arkansas solidly and we carry momentum into the back half of the season, and can head into the spring with momentum again.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I said keeping Pruitt for too long will cause recruiting to tank.

It’s year 3 and he’s regressing. Getting manhandled by your main rivals and getting blown out by a below average Kentucky team is not a sign of improvement.

JG got us blown out by KY

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

barring something off the field that would have expedited a firing, i think it's safe to assume Pruitt was gonna get 5 years....

coming in to 2018, 1st year of the ESD, basically made recruiting that first class a nightmare, as we found out.....so you're talking at least 3 years, w/2full cycles to start to see the pruitt players in the program.

here we are.

at least another year to get his classes to upper classmen...and year 5...that's a "pruitt built" program at that point....

2020 was a bad year to be in year 3. lol....such a critical off season developmentally....and switching to the all conf schedule, kinda sucked in that we missed some confidence builder type games, and i think we missed an opportunity to go to Norman and see what we got for a big game on the road....who knows.

anyway...........we need a quarterback. we need some stability on the staff. and we need to find a way to get more guys more reps so we can improve depth and find kids that can help us win...faster.

i see a lot of phil fulmer in jeremy pruitt. some of that is really good. some of it, not as good.....but one thing i think he can do to help himself is not get caught in the "we do what we do" mentality.

for us, as fans, unfortunately, there was no quick fix....no easy button, and for this program to turn a corner as big as it needs to, that is going to be the result of a process......which im fine with.

that doesn't mean i like what i see along the way all the time. i've liked a good bit of what i've seen so far. i've not liked much of what ive seen latley at all....

i'll be really surprised, and very disappointed, maybe even moreso than i am right now, if we see what we've seen so far repeat itself the 2nd half of the season. i think the hill to climb is still pretty steep. and with @Auburn, aTm and UF still on the schedule......the chances it gets worse, before it gets better...still pretty high...

that said, that kind of schedule also offers redemption....even moreso than the redemption they earned the 2nd half of last season.

and it starts in Fayetteville, AR.

I think he is safe this year. No doubt. But I don’t think he would last here if we only won four to five games in 2021. I believe they would let him go at that point. But let’s all hope he turns it around and we are excited for a big year next year.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Not disagreeing. Like I said, I think he looks at it differently. Sure he's said he's playing the players that give him the best chance to win. But is that a win on Saturday or is that future, long term success?

Take JG for instance. Maybe Bailey and the rest of the QB's aren't working like JG in practice. Maybe he's trying to teach them that putting in the work will pay off. It has to be earned.

After my sarcastic response to your other post, I’ll be serious. This is actually an interesting take. Maybe it’s why our commits continue to stick and keep reaffirming their commitment? Maybe this is the message Pruitt has been telling them all along? My only response against it is it looks like the team doesn’t like this approach since we have laid down the last 2 games.

 

[KPT_VFL]

As a university we have everything to offer and be consistently good at football. The ONLY are we lack is our rivals have better instate recruiting bases. I think if we can finally get it together that we could overcome that but we have to start winning on the field. Desperately need a QB that is a game changer and the wins and recruits will come.

 

[snowvols]

I think they could pare down the playbook like they have with JG. JG is not a threat to run, and does not make the right read or throws. JG is nothing more than a game manager at QB. The team is in need of a play maker at QB. Just imagine if Dobbs was the starting QB right now....we would be 3 - 1 at worst.

I think the announcers said during the LSU game that the offense was basically 8 plays that Finley did really well with in practice. They threw out everything he couldn't handle.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

JG got us blown out by KY

Pruitt kept him in there

 

[Govolsman98]

I don't know why but I feel like we're gonna finish this season off strong. Maybe I'm just crazy