Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[SLICKYINC]

A POS

Blood type not person type..

















J/K

 

[LA Vol]

10-4. knew about Chaney holding out as long as he did. but was there any candidates blocked? for whatever reason i seem to remember a lot of angst about briles potentially be the hire, and ultimatley we said "no" to pruitt on that one. maybe the same on Freeze, but that kinda went on to be a moot point since he got the Liberty job......

i don't know how much that maters, except in the grand scheme of things, if "pulling hte same direction" is important, then it seems we're still not there.....

UT was pulling in the same direction. Randy Boyd is a great president. He rescued the Barnes situation. Donde Plowman is the best chancellor we've had in a while. Phillip Fulmer loves UT and is good with donors. UT has just gotten itself into another very unfortunate situation with very unfortunate timing.

The feeling seems to have softened on Freeze... but Sankey has not been a fan in the past and has "encouraged" SEC schools to pursue other options. The passing on Briles was mutual.

 

[KB5252]

I think that would be enough to do it....Vandy will be winless when we play them and if Pruitt loses to them there is no way Fulmer can keep him. If we lose to Vandy this year...that will be worse than the GaSt loss last year imo.

It wouldn't surprise me if football was shut down in the next couple of weeks. I don't know that we play many, if any more games.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

My neighbor's dog?

Good to see you back, sir

 

[orangejuice]

I don't think the college football season will be finished....I think it's getting pretty close to being called off.

Too bad it didn’t get called off after week 2. We would feel a lot better about life.

 

[BJWeeks]

Hope everyone is well. @InVOLuntary someone on the board told me about about your mother. I was so sorry to hear that. What a tough road that was--for her and your family.

For anyone who cares-- Pruitt was hired with the implicit agreement that he would be given five years. There was consensus that UT couldn’t afford to make another coaching change in less than five years and that the new HC needed five years to rebuild a badly damaged program. Pruitt was Fulmer’s guy, and his hiring came with the expectation-- and assurance-- that Fulmer would use his experience to help Pruitt scale the learning curve, and together they could return UT to respectability within five years. If not, then UT would be recruiting well and be in a good position to make the necessary changes.

Pruitt wasn’t ready for a job as big, difficult and demanding as UT’s. Being a great DC doesn't make him good enough at the many facets of the HC job and he won’t be good enough for a while, if ever. Many donors and board members felt that UT should hire an experienced HC for a massive rebuild with high expectations and an impatient fanbase. Fulmer went way out on a limb for Pruitt, and UT unified behind him. Pruitt has been a disappointment and he’s a divisive personality. He’s pissed off a lot of people, so UT is no longer unified.

The easy solution is what needs to be done eventually is best done immediately. But Sexton negotiated a sweetheart deal for Pruitt, and Fulmer doubled down. Fulmer is tied to Pruitt, so don’t expect him to do anything except publicly stand behind this coaching staff. And don't expect a lot of donors to be okay with that.

Buying out assistants with longer-term contracts would be throwing money at the wrong solution. Either fix the problem or ride it out another year or two.

So you are saying Pruitt could still get fired but Fulmer would be out as well?

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Hope everyone is well. @InVOLuntary someone on the board told me about about your mother. I was so sorry to hear that. What a tough road that was--for her and your family.

For anyone who cares-- Pruitt was hired with the implicit agreement that he would be given five years. There was consensus that UT couldn’t afford to make another coaching change in less than five years and that the new HC needed five years to rebuild a badly damaged program. Pruitt was Fulmer’s guy, and his hiring came with the expectation-- and assurance-- that Fulmer would use his experience to help Pruitt scale the learning curve, and together they could return UT to respectability within five years. If not, then UT would be recruiting well and be in a good position to make the necessary changes.

Pruitt wasn’t ready for a job as big, difficult and demanding as UT’s. Being a great DC doesn't make him good enough at the many facets of the HC job and he won’t be good enough for a while, if ever. Many donors and board members felt that UT should hire an experienced HC for a massive rebuild with high expectations and an impatient fanbase. Fulmer went way out on a limb for Pruitt, and UT unified behind him. Pruitt has been a disappointment and he’s a divisive personality. He’s pissed off a lot of people, so UT is no longer unified.

The easy solution is what needs to be done eventually is best done immediately. But Sexton negotiated a sweetheart deal for Pruitt, and Fulmer doubled down. Fulmer is tied to Pruitt, so don’t expect him to do anything except publicly stand behind this coaching staff. And don't expect a lot of donors to be okay with that.

Buying out assistants with longer-term contracts would be throwing money at the wrong solution. Either fix the problem or ride it out another year or two.

 

[KPT_VFL]

UT was pulling in the same direction. Randy Boyd is a great president. He rescued the Barnes situation. Donde Plowman is the best chancellor we've had in a while. Phillip Fulmer loves UT and is good with donors. UT has just gotten itself into another very unfortunate situation with very unfortunate timing.

The feeling seems to have softened on Freeze... but Sankey has not been a fan in the past and has "encouraged" SEC schools to pursue other options. The passing on Briles was mutual.

Schools serious about winning won’t be deterred by Sankeys encouragement.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

They'll find enough fans for this season. A pandemic leading to limited seating will take care of that. Next year, fans with short memories and full of hope will return to Neyland Stadium. We'll see how he does next year. The absolute soonest we see a change is after next season, IMO. I don't see anything changing that.

Fans have short memories until it is clearly obvious a coach is done. We have reached that point. Neyland will not be full any game next year.

 

[Specks]

I thought that if nothing else we would have an elite defense. Then if he could just manage to get the OC hire right we would be okay. I was wrong. Our defense is terrible. He can't manage the defense and be a HC at the same time, clearly. He also hasn't hired a good OC. So we just aren't good anywhere.

I thought the same thing. I recently read that JP calls the DL then Ansley calls the LB's and secondary. Perhaps JP should start focusing on being the CEO and let Ansley call the defense. After all he's being paid quite handsomely to do just that.

 

[VOLED]

Warren is a big disappointment. I thought he might surprise. It appears he takes off on many plays especially his effort on blocking plays A waste of a scholarship IMO.

He misses lots of blocks. We are struggling at that position

 

[jakez4ut]

UT was pulling in the same direction. Randy Boyd is a great president. He rescued the Barnes situation. Donde Plowman is the best chancellor we've had in a while. Phillip Fulmer loves UT and is good with donors. UT has just gotten itself into another very unfortunate situation with very unfortunate timing.

The feeling seems to have softened on Freeze... but Sankey has not been a fan in the past and has "encouraged" SEC schools to pursue other options. The passing on Briles was mutual.

fair enough.

 

[Catbone]

I'm sad

 

[johnfnkelly]

Warren is a big disappointment. I thought he might surprise. It appears he takes off on many plays especially his effort on blocking plays A waste of a scholarship IMO.

He's just not an SEC level player. Most of the upperclassmen aren't.

 

[Memphisvol87]

All the AD needs to realize is we are more interested I a coaching search than the actual season. Nobody wants to watch Pruitt trot out there next year just like we are tired of watching this terrible team trot out there. I literally don’t even care if the cancel the season at this point because barely beating vandy( if we even could) and getting smashed by everyone else isn’t on my to do list at this point. Have fun watching the AD revenues plummet. Frankly they deserve it after putting the fans through the last 12 years.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Best case scenario is they shut down the season. Keeps SC and Auburn from firing their coaches. Everyone goes into next year with the same coaches. We keep our recruiting class. And then if Pruitt fails, we can fire him in 2021 and hire Freeze. I’m hoping for a full blown shut down.

 

[jakez4ut]

Fans have short memories until it is clearly obvious a coach is done. We have reached that point. Neyland will not be full any game next year.

yes, it will.

whlie we're all on here doing our thing, the overwhelming majority of TN fans have no idea this conversation is even taking place.

we'll finish the recruiting cycle, move on in to spring again, and there'll be hope for next season as we all start to talk about who's coming back and all the talent from the past two classes become "veteran". we'll talk of lesson's learned and how we won't repeate the same mistakes....again.

and we'll be all ready to roll....

until the other shoe drops....again....and we'll have this same conversation, give or take a few things.

or, we have a great saeason and all is forgotten.

 

[LA Vol]

So you are saying Pruitt could still get fired but Fulmer would be out as well?

The preference clearly is to stop the bleeding and buy at least another year. But when people get mad, fingers start pointing and enough donors have had enough, anything is possible. Whatever UT does, it's highly unlikely everybody will be in agreement. In the end, what people want to do and what they actually do may not be the same thing-- at least not this year.

 

[Devo182]

Why is it that Ergen feels that way? I wouldn't think he'd care where the money went, isn't it a taxable donation if given to the school?

Even if fully deductible, still only saving 30% or whatever. Maybe he doesn't want to give 70% of 5 or 10 million away for something he doesn't care about.

I kind of worried as much, he's never been a name popping up when we get to this stage. He puts the Vols in his TV commercials and that's about it, it would seem.

 

[jakez4ut]

Best case scenario is they shut down the season. Keeps SC and Auburn from firing their coaches. Everyone goes into next year with the same coaches. We keep our recruiting class. And then if Pruitt fails, we can fire him in 2021 and hire Freeze. I’m hoping for a full blown shut down.

i bolded those parts for affect.....i realize i'm leaving some context out.

but that's not the best case scenario. unless you just want pruitt fired, and that's all we care about.

 

[LA Vol]

Schools serious about winning won’t be deterred by Sankeys encouragement.

They certainly have been in the past.

 

[jakez4ut]

The preference clearly is to stop the bleeding and buy at least another year. But when people get mad, fingers start pointing and enough donors have had enough, anything is possible. Whatever UT does, it's highly unlikely everybody will be in agreement. In the end, what people want to do and what they actually do may not be the same thing-- at least not this year.

has it been, any year over the past 10-15, really? lol.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Well...explains why we’ve returned to Fulmer ball.

run right, run left, run middle, punt

Maybe Pruitt will figure some things out in his next 2 seasons here.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

yes, it will.

whlie we're all on here doing our thing, the overwhelming majority of TN fans have no idea this conversation is even taking place.

we'll finish the recruiting cycle, move on in to spring again, and there'll be hope for next season as we all start to talk about who's coming back and all the talent from the past two classes become "veteran". we'll talk of lesson's learned and how we won't repeate the same mistakes....again.

and we'll be all ready to roll....

until the other shoe drops....again....and we'll have this same conversation, give or take a few things.

or, we have a great saeason and all is forgotten.

No chance. Butch we fired after going 4-8. People would not have come after a season like that. Same with Dooley going 5-7 in year three. Year four would have not had many fans. If we win 3 games, we are not filling up Neyland stadium. Let’s just pray they shut everything down.

 

[jakez4ut]

Well...explains why we’ve returned to Fulmer ball.

run right, run left, run middle, punt

Maybe Pruitt will figure some things out in his next 2 seasons here.

all joking aside, there are a lot of attributes Pruitt has that are very fulmeresque...some good...some not so good.....but there is a lot of similarity between two imo.